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You've got a fair wait then! !
Don't worry about it as we've all been there, when you eventually pass your test and have to wait for your restriction to finish you will go through this all over again.  !
I take it your Dad is going to insure you for his CBR125 or are you going to get your own? What do you mean by you want to "cruise your cousin"? !
It will get into your blood and make sure as soon as you pass your CBT that you put plans in place to get your licence, it's the best path. !
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Posted: 21:30 - 27 Oct 2011  Post subject: Re: Waiting to reach the age of 17. |
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| zHamzz wrote: | Just to notifiy the fellow users on the 29/04/12 i will book my cbt. |
Welcome to the fun... but make the most of that 125, it will be awesome after your BMX, but within a very short time, you'll be enviouse not of other L-Platers but the Lads on 'Big-Bikes'
Heads up, becouse starting on the 29th of March, you will have barely NINE MONTHS in which you will be able to take, and pass tests on that 125 and gain a full A group licence for the effort, that will have a two year 33bhp restriction on it (effectively limiting you to a 500cc 100mph commuter twin type bike) but which will atomatically become a full, unrestricted A group licence allowing you to ride pretty much anything you can afford, within two years.
after January 2013, new EU Licence laws come into force, and you will only be able to test for an A1, 125 only licence on a 125.
You will have to be 19 to test for a bigger bike, (that 500cc commuter twin kind of thing), and the A2 licence you will gain for it, will limit you to that for ever, or until you pass tests for the A group, and testing process will be as current DAS Scheme on a big bike, and few schools are gearing up to offer training or A2 eligible bikes to test on. So most new riders are going to be stuck on 125's with L's waiting to do DAS.
Gaining A group licence will mean gaining and holding an A2 licence for two years, or being 24 years of to take tests under DAS in 'one'.
Its going to be hard, its going to be expensive, and every-one will have to wait until they are older to get on bigger bikes.
Starting on 29th March Next, you have small window of opportunity, to get your licence, done under current rules, and have the 33bhp restriction GONE, and able to ride a 'big' bike, at the qualifying age any-one dallying about it, can just about start thinking of testing for A2 to get on restricted 500.....
DONT let the awesomeness of a 125 after a bmx dazzle you too much, and dally getting trained and tested, living in the moment, and enjoying the thrills of a tiddler..... they wont lkast long, and by the time you realise that, could be stuck being ALL you can hope for for a very long time!
Costs just £121 more than CBT to test for full licence..... training can be as little as an extra £150... and worth every penny, to make you safer, while you are in the highest risk group, and get you licence to all biking has to offer.
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| Posted: 21:37 - 27 Oct 2011 Post subject: |
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And make sure you pass mod 2 within 6 months
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Hey,
Thanks for all the feedback/comments and yes hopefully get insured on my dads bike as he said he will  . And i meant i want to cruise with my cousin LOL. As my dads cbr125 is very light and i rode it a couple of times Its a nice feeling in your backgarden lol.
Thanks all,
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It's nice to hear that you're waiting instead of getting a ped then trying to de-restrict it, but...
Given the time frame, and the risk of training and test centres being very busy next year, you might want to think about getting a 50cc now and getting some experience so that you're ready to sit your A2 test the moment you turn 17.
At a minimum, that'll get the clock ticking on your 2 year 25kW restriction sooner.
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To be honest i feel that im an exprienced rider ive rode my dads 125 in the park also i have done the geton 1 hour free ride which gave me even more confidence. So instead of buying a moped i got my dad who will put me as second driver hopefuly and maybe my dad shuld move up 600+. 
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Oh fukin hell. (scuse me french) but you have to realise you are NOT an experienced rider!
Go through a city, all that traffic and shit, everyone trying to cut you up and multiply that by at least 2 because you have 'L's on.
It's a tough world out there and enormous fun (really, it's just fukin awesome on your own bike, that I can't deny ) but people will try to kill you.
They don't know they are trying to kill you but it can be very dodgy to say the least.
Please don't be overconfident, that way lies nothing but grief.
Get your practice in but really, the park doesn't give you a clue.
Good luck with it all Take **extreme** care.
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| zHamzz wrote: | To be honest i feel that im an exprienced rider |
Well I've been riding six months & done about 5000 miles, I class myself as an absolute beginner. I'll consider myself reasonably experienced after my first 100,000 miles.
And I'm 46, driven cars for nigh on 30 years and covered getting on for half a million miles.
At 16 years old a month doing anything makes you experienced compared to your peers, but biking is entering the adult world, 'experience' takes on a whole new meaning!
Riding (or driving) is all about roadcraft, reading what's going on around you and predicting what's about to happen and instinctively knowing how to react. The only way to learn those skills is by vast amounts of riding on every different road you possibly can in every conceivable weather/traffic scenario.
On the road everyone else you see is out for one reason and one reason only - to KILL you. If you approach riding with the attitude that you're really great at it then they will probably succeed. If you intend to stay alive accept yhat you know bugger all, take in all the good advice and training you can, and do what you've been taught. Don't kid yourself that you know better - you don't.
Anyhow you've come to the right place, the advice you'll get here is priceless.
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| zHamzz wrote: | To be honest i feel that im an exprienced rider |
I'm 40, I've been riding since I was 7..... I probably had more experience than you have now, before I was allowed to wear long trousers to school......
When it came to doing it, on the roads, with TEN YEARS and organised competition history to my credit..... I was, and FELT like a newbie......
Not knockin' kid, but fair warning; accidents happen when ratio of confidence to competence is pushed too far, confidence is good, competence is better!
Great idea, you have to try and steal your dads wheels from under him though.......
But... I am a Dad, my kids have all eyed my bikes with similar ideas.... but end of the day, I had to work bludy hard to get my first 'propper bike', so none of them have had it handed to them on a plate!
His 125 may be a useful stepping stone; but don't bank on him bequeathing it to you..... appreciate the gift of its loan, and use it wisely, and use it to get that licence.. because THAT is the REAL gift he is offering..... bikes, last a few years, licence you have a life time.
And if your Dad does move up to 600, would you rather be wobbling along in his wake like a duckling on his 'old' 125, or up there along side him, on your own 500?
Absolutley no reason why, with a little dedication, you could not, get on your Dads bike, get some miles under your wheels, and with some weekly lessons, and practice between, get yourself a full licence, in maybe 3 - 6 months, not giving yourself a tough time in the process.
Biggest problem, next year will be the waiting lists for test apointments as more and more people, 'rush' to get tested on 125's, and more book tests, un-tought, self tought, or optimistically before they are ready, or JUST to get a test date.
More people will be chasing available tests, and more are likely to fail them, therfore there will be even more 'demand' for re-tests from those that dont make the grade first time round....
Waiting lists this year vary from two to six weeks depending on test center and time of year. Next year, its likely to be twice that, and for some centers, could be pushing three month mark for chunk of the year.
And THAT is going to impact not JUST teenagers wanting to get tested on 125's but DAS candidated too, who are going to have to compete for same tests slots... DSA dont care whether you are taking a test on a 125 or a 650, its same examiner, same time, same place..... so dont bank on your Dad getting his licence any quicker than you could, and making that 125 saddle empty for you!
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| zHamzz wrote: | from most of the comments it seems like confidence doesnt help only expreince and the skill of being aware. |
I see 'hints' of 'the right stuff' in your comments.
Riding bikes is ALL about 'Balence'. holding bike upright is only ONE of the many many things that require balence; throttle, clutch, brakes, all about balencing different forces and influences, but STILL only tiny part of the equation.
Getting very Zen' about biking, and the philosophies of managing conflict, and balence, bikes are an alogory for life, and vica verca.
Having some apreciation of that, and findinging some sort of 'peace' and 'tranquility' in the saddle, can be a very big part of the whole biking experience; but, in the mean time.....
Confidence IS good.... its OVER-confidence that gets scary, or as bad, UNDER-confidence.
As an instructor, had half a dozen or more students a CBT course to contend with; different faces, different people, but the place they are starting from, they are much of a much the 'same', but within each class, more or less notable 'types'.
Nervouse Nancy: under confident, everything scares them, and its hard work getting them going, becouse they dont have faith in themselves and they need a lot of gentle encouragement and reassurance at every step of the way.
Revin-Kevin: over confident; nothing scares them, they are full of enthusiasm and eager to get on and do, and do so quickly.
Ritcheouse Richard (or just Dick): Kmnows it all before you begin. They have done all thier home-work, have all the right kit, and are absolutely certain about everything......
There is no such thing as an absolute, though, and while these three charecters define the main traits of the main types, students are ALWAYS a blend of all three, to some degree.
Nancy; lacking confidence, is as likely to hurt themselves, going to slow, wobbling, falling off at a junction and being run over by another car, as Kevin is to get the red mist decend, crack the throttle too wide and plough straight through a hedge, as Dick, is to ride into teh side of a car pulling out of a T-Junction, and be utterly certain it was NOT his fault the car did NOR give way as it 'SHOULD'.....
BALENCE
The rider that survives has Kevins easy confidence to get up to speed and DO IT. Dick's 'good sense' to be wearing the right kit and preparation of knowing the highway code, BUT nancies paranoia to be CHECKING the whole time and NOT blithely believing that every one else will do what they ought to, or that it simply wont happen to them......
We survive on bikes on our wits, and by having the right attitude.
Wherever we start from, we either learn to use our wits and aquire the right attiutude..... or we DONT survive.... its pretty simple.
So first 'talent' needed is an open mind, and the ability and willingness to learn.
Thirty odd years in the saddle, and I'm STILL learning; it doesn't 'end' when you have a licence in your pocket.
Next? Apreciation of "Harmony", and recognising that all things exist in balance, things you want bring things you dont, and a push in one direction is also a pull in the other....
Bikes are so much MORE than just a way from A to B, cheap thrills and speed kicks are a common attraction of them, but still only a very small part of the equation, and its having an appreciation of the wider whole, and probably more, recognising what you HAVE and appreciating it JUST for what it is, rather than what you DONT have, big part of growing up, and enjoying life, as well as enjoying 'bikes'.
We start on small, lightweight, under powered machines, which for a very short while, feel awsome, JUST being at the controls; but very soon, we want more, and we deride the bike, and critisise it for its weknesses. Look around at all the questions about how to de-restrict mopeds or Learner-Legals, or make bikes 'faster' or handle better..... so FEW are satisfied or actually appreciate what they have, right here, right now...... progressing on to bigger, faster, 'better' bikes, and often loosing sight of the simple joy, and finding ever more deficiencies and niggles to believe are holding them back from 'full' enjoyment... quite sad, really..... BUT, get to a point where you are happy with what you have, comfortable in your self, with who you are, and your abilities, confident in your own competence, and that of your machine, finding the 'harmony' of working as a 'team' with your bike.....
THEN, you have it 'sussed', and not just biking, but LIFE!
And it doesn't take a big bike; doesn't take a life time of experience, or the wealth of midas..... JUST the right 'attitude'.
And.... maybe, a 'little' time.... patience, is a great thing, and when it comes to bikes, very under rated.
Very easy on a bike to go into 'Bike-Time', a different time zone, where things happen at a different rate; where, thinking about so much, dealing with so much, your brain is working about three times faster than anywhere else, and real time seems to slow down, and cars doing normal road speed, seem like they are dawdling; and your reactions speed up, you make decisions in double time, and you see gaps, and respond to them, over taking, filtering, doing things that to other road users appear fast, dangerouse and wreckless... because to them, they happen so suddenly... when to you, in the saddle, working in 'Bike-Time' you have had time to assess the situation, consider options, make desicions and carry them out.... in what to others seems the blink of an eye.....
All this, young grass-hoppa, you will come to understand....
But heed well this thought..... there is a difference between going fast, and rushing into things.......
Working in bike time, things can happen quickly, but speed comes from doing all that needs to be done, quickly, not RUSHING where things get omitted forgotten or left undone, to 'short-cut' the process.... and accidents occur when things are left undone, are forgotten, or not done properly.
Less Haste, More Speed...... 'Rushing' is a fast way to calamity on a motorcycle!
So THAT advice heeded, and however months until your birthday and possibility of CBT.... I suggest some ground work and preparation, and getting ahead of teh game, practicing for your Theory test, and booking THAT as soon as you can after your birthday, and possibly more urgently than your CBT...
Its something of a lottery, with the virtual reality of the Haz-Pep clicky test, and the one you want done and out the way, so you have clear shot at practicals, and you dont actually need a bike to do it..... so thats where you should start.....
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You sound pretty sensible, we just don't want you getting smushed the first time you get on the road.
Actually, I'd suggest that you get out on a pushbike and get some practice negotiating through traffic.
You could also get your theory out of the way early doors, maybe even do a CBT on 50cc to validate your provisional so that you can get on the 125 on your birthday.
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| Andy_Pagin wrote: | | zHamzz wrote: | To be honest i feel that im an exprienced rider |
Well I've been riding six months & done about 5000 miles, I class myself as an absolute beginner. I'll consider myself reasonably experienced after my first 100,000 miles.
And I'm 46, driven cars for nigh on 30 years and covered getting on for half a million miles.
At 16 years old a month doing anything makes you experienced compared to your peers, but biking is entering the adult world, 'experience' takes on a whole new meaning!
Riding (or driving) is all about roadcraft, reading what's going on around you and predicting what's about to happen and instinctively knowing how to react. The only way to learn those skills is by vast amounts of riding on every different road you possibly can in every conceivable weather/traffic scenario.
On the road everyone else you see is out for one reason and one reason only - to KILL you. If you approach riding with the attitude that you're really great at it then they will probably succeed. If you intend to stay alive accept yhat you know bugger all, take in all the good advice and training you can, and do what you've been taught. Don't kid yourself that you know better - you don't.
Anyhow you've come to the right place, the advice you'll get here is priceless. |
Yeah, what he said.
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Okay,
you all can correct me, i know how to operate a bike and go up and back then up again thats how small my garden is LOL
Anyway thanks for all the advice...now how can i pass time...Lol
Thanks all! 
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