Hamilton or Massa

[rac3r]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/8858284/Indian-Grand-Prix-2011-Lewis-Hamilton-and-Felipe-Massa-still-at-loggerheads-after-latest-collision.html

So another one on their crash list today! So who do you think is at fault this time?

I think they were kind of both to blame today, Hamilton for a half overtake and Massa for 'fuck it you're going down' attitude
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[The Artist]

Massa 100% at fault. Turned into Lewis, knowing full well he was there and no where to go.

[D O G]

Just to start, I'd like to make it known that I believe Hamilton is a jumped up little shit, and I've taken great pleasure in his shitness this season.

Today tho, was Massa's fault. He KNEW Hamilton was there, but turned in anyway. Stupid move.

[Carl_steveo]

I don't know really, surely Massa would have noticed Hamilton coming up the inside. However if I was Massa I wouldn't have allowed him to pass easily either.

Funniest part though is Mr Beans Face.

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[Nai]

My god... People still watch F1?.....

Massa completely on this one.

[Shaft]

The important part about today's (completely correct) steward's decision, is that it sends out a clear message that you can't just turn in on Hamilton and expect him to get penalised, which I think is what certain drivers were starting to believe.

Whatever you think about Hamilton, he does race, so there's a certain inevitability that some contact will occur; some of the responsibility for that contact will fall on the driver being passed, and they need to be reminded of that.
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[Frost]

Hamilton had full RIGHT to be where he was. However his positioning put him at risk and was based on the assumption that massa knew he was there. Just like when he tried to get past button in canada he took a risk and paid the price. Hamilton was punished for his overtaking attempt with an additional pit stop for a front wing. Massa got punished with a drive through so neither benefited. Massa needs to think about what happend and be aware that next time he might well end up with a puncture AND a drive through.

[Shaft]

Massa won't ever think like that though, he's still sore that Hamilton pipped him to the post, in the only year he was ever likely to win the title.

He'll spend the rest of his career trying to make a name for himself, probably ending up in an HRT or similar, unless he does the decent thing and retires.
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[Rogerborg]

to both of them for actually racing. Vettel's sponsors must be livid, I don't think the camera was on him for more than a minute during the whole race.
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[Daimo]

Massa...

He looked left, right, saw no car, look left, knew he was there.

To be fair to Lewis, he did say that during the move he knew at the last moment Massa wasn't going to give him room and tried to back out of it, but he still swiped him full well knowing he was there (hence the penalty of "causing an avoidable accident").

If he hadn't of blatently looked left twice, he might have got away with a penalty, but he knew he was there.

And to be fair to Lewis, at the end, he did say Massa hasn't spoken to him all year, so he put his arm around him during the driver briefing and said "good luck for the race".

I think Lewis gets put in the bad light, just like Marco was, he's penalised for RACING. Your not a motor racer to come 2nd.

I think Massa's still pissed about this thought tbh...

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[iooi]

I used to have a lot of respect for Massa.

Sadly this year he has proved that he should not be in F1 with his attitude.
Still won't talk to Hamilton.... That is just acting like a spoilt kid.... Not a profesional racing driver....
These guys risk their lives every race and with the death of 2 fellow races over the last 2 weeks....

And you see him look in his mirrors and move over on another driver knowing for well they had no where to go other than off the track....

Personally he was lucky to get just a drive through.

India was cited as a wide track to allow overtaking.... Yet you see incidents like this. And next to no overtaking other than with DRS..... Sure there is the racing line, but as has been proved, often taking another line can pay off, so long as the drivers treat each other's space with respect.
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[rac3r]

If you were about to win the championship only for it to be lost when a car in front of your rival suddenly happens to loose grip just before the finish line you would be pissed off too. Especially when you have be pretty crap since then

I want to have Alonso and Raikonen at Ferrari
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[Daimo]

Raiko would struggle to keep up I think. Its always a nightmare when you have two top drivers in a team.

I think Button and Hamilton (bar Canada, but they still dealt with it very well) have been a grea example to others how top drivers can have a good fight, yet remain team mates. Clearly didn't work for Alonso and Lewis

Doesn't work for Massa, doesn't work for Webber, didn't work for Prost/Senna, nor Rubens and Schumacher, and many other examples over the years.

Massa is a good driver, just not championship winning level, like Mark Webber, they've not quite got that "edge".

Unfortunatly, whilst I love Button, everyone seems to forget that Honda had fully developed the car the season before, hence why Honda done so badly before they sold up. they had it tested and ready, and whilst adjustments were made, they already had the clear advantage, and Button made full use of it at the start of the season. But he's got that edge as well, he's driven really well this year. I think Lewis's "off track" issues (mainly the women, or ex women now) has had his mind off the game this year.

Hopefully, McLaren will come back fighting next year, and if all 3 teams have good cars, it should make for a good season.

*Now goes and gets depressed over no motor-racing for the winter period *

[Dr. DaveJPS]

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[calyx]

I think Hamilton was at fault. He knew that that left hander isn't wide enough for 2 cars but he still went for it.
Probably Massa thought "ooh he'll just ease. he can't be that stupid to try to overtake me here". But he was.
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[TheDonUK]

Massa has never been the same since that thing hit his lid...

Massa's fault, although you could see it coming in the run up to the corner.

As others have said, whatever you think about Hamilton at least he races, the rest of them are happy to finish 5th, he pushes for the win and is the best racer there.

How interesting would it be if at the end of the season before all the cars are mothballed if they put every driver in say the red bull for an quali session...

You reckon Vettel would beat Hamilton then?
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[salty21]

i've been a big jensen fan since back when he started at B.A.R, it's nice to see him doing well as he's always been a good consistent driver who can do just about anything the team ask of him and he never looses his cool.

Hamilton is just a cock and i've hated him since day 1. He's been on the delivering side of some pretty cuntish moves so it's nice to see it coming back around to bite him in the arse
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[The Artist]

[iooi]

[salty21]

i knew he was racing before B.A.R. I meant i've been following him since he started at B.A.R.

Hamilton got thrown straight into the one of the best cars and was a cocky little shit who by sheer luck managed to actually finish a race without going kamikaze on everyone
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[Skudd]

I've always like Jenson, always seems a good down to earth bloke who is game for a laugh.

Hamilton, his championship win always seemed iffy to me, The he played the race card and I don't mean who comes first. when he was punished a while ago he did the, Is it cause I is Black. tried to make a joke of it but what is said is said. I will always think ill of him now.
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[JonB]

I've never rated Massa, quite clearly a second rate driver. How he secured a drive at Ferrari ill never know! Not even sure many teams would sign him up if he was out of contract.
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