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jonboy
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Gatso cameras - work both ways at the same time? Reply with quote

Does anyone know if the roadside speed cameras (just the standard yellow box on a pole type) can be set to catch people in both directions without being adjusted in between?
Reason I ask is that I passed one on the way home from work at 10pm with 32mph on the clock and got flashed ( a picture of my rear plate). Now I thought with an indicated speed of 32, i'd probably be doing a real 30/31 maximum, and wouldn't be caught.
The next morning I saw the camera flash someone going in the opposite direction (ie it photoraphed their front plate). It seems unlikely anyone adjusted it overnight, so maybe when it seemed to flash me it was actually someone catching someone going the other way? Or, are the cameras capable of watching the traffic going in both directions at the same time?
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

They only photograph the rear of vehicles.

However, they have been known to accidently photograph cars coming the other way, this can not and will not be used as evidence for a speeding conviction, they'll just ignore the pictures.
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, they use a doppler radar to check the speed of the car which then triggers the camera to flash. The doppler measures speed as opposed to velocity. If you remember your physics from school, this means it cannot tell which direction you are going in only how fast.

Therefore it flashes vehicles in both directions but only the ones it photographs from behind will be issued tickets. The ones pictured from the front are beyond the camera by the second flash.

Newer Gatsos seem to be able to differentiate direction, the ones on the A9 certainly do because I deliberatley went through two of them at over the ton head-on to check and neither of them flashed.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well this seems like bad news as it would be me that got flashed then. I would feel a bit unlucky though with 32 on the clock as with speedo error this would be barely if at all over the limit. Mad
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watched an interesting program on M & M last night, only 1 in 4 flashed drivers from Gatso's actually get issued with a ticket apparantly.

The only cameras that flash you from the front are the Truvelo's, I've never seen a Truvelo, but they look like Gatso's, but they have a red and purple lens next to each other and they tend to be blue in colour. There are about 300 in the country. Smile
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:26 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somerset Scratcher wrote:
The only cameras that flash you from the front are the Truvelo's, I've never seen a Truvelo, but they look like Gatso's, but they have a red and purple lens next to each other and they tend to be blue in colour. There are about 300 in the country. Smile

You can't see the flash from these, it's infra-red.
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparantly that's a hidden myth as well, the presenter said that there is a misconception that it is infrared, but in fact there is a red and purple lens to blank out a flash so that it does not blind the oncoming driver. Smile
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been flashed by the same Truvelo 6 times before in Chesterfield.

The flash is a blue colour insted of just a white flash. Dont know if it is designed to be less blinding or it is that colour for some other purpose. However it is less blinding than the normal white ones.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somerset Scratcher wrote:
Apparantly that's a hidden myth as well, the presenter said that there is a misconception that it is infrared, but in fact there is a red and purple lens to blank out a flash so that it does not blind the oncoming driver. Smile

It's an infra red lens over the flash.

The actual flash is a proper camera flash, indeed, but the infra red filter makes it so that it cannot be seen by the human eye, but it still shows up on black and white photographs.

Look through the view finder of a camcorder and put an infra red filter over a torch, when you look through the camera the whole area is lit perfectly, but you can't see anything with your eye.

If it were a purple filter, it would be a bright purple light, making the pictures look a bit odd!
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been flashed by a front facing camera. Anyone who wishes to argue can come up to mine and i'll show you the camera that does it.
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The filter had probably fallen off/was taken off.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was definitley flashed by a Gatso (not Truvelo) on the A68 just over Carterbar on the Northbound side of the road when I was travelling south.

Took me by surprise so I went and did it again Very Happy
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonboy they do flash oncoming cars, as I got flashed heading towards a camera in a 40 at about 50 which was facing me on the opposite side of the dual carriageway, not recieved a ticket for it.

Did you get a single flash? Some cameras flash once to warn if u're going slightly too fast I believe, only a double flash for breaking the ticket speed limit. Or it was indeed an oncoming car, or one behind you going too fast, can't see a 30 camera going off at 32.
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely a double flash, and I was deffo only doing 32. Why the double flash anyway - is it a time delay thing so they have photo proof of how far you went between the flashes which then tells you the speed?
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

It takes two photos, these are a certain time apart, they know the time between pictures, they know the distance your car went in this time (marks on the road) therefore they can work out your speed manually should they need to.
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 08 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was there another vehicle going the other way? If so it may have triggered the Gatso.
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 09 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somerset Scratcher wrote:
only 1 in 4 flashed drivers from Gatso's actually get issued with a ticket apparantly.


Given that I was caught bang to rights (55 in a 40 on a dual carriagway) on my way to Silverstone this morning, I'll keep my fingers crossed. Praying
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 09 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is one at the bottom of my road that flashes me from the front every time. But I've got no numberplate on the front, so I don't care! Razz
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 09 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkywheely wrote:
The doppler measures speed as opposed to velocity. If you remember your physics from school, this means it cannot tell which direction you are going in only how fast.


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PostPosted: 11:55 - 09 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

but wrong

since the doppler effect has the effect of either compressing or stretching the reflected waves (blue shift or red shift) it can indeed sense direction

this is why an exhaust note changes as it comes toward you then away from you

the frequency changes
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 09 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

cliff wrote:
There is one at the bottom of my road that flashes me from the front every time. But I've got no numberplate on the front, so I don't care! Razz


when my brother does his dominos pizza deliveris on a c90 (when he isn't riding his cbr400), he passes a couple of gatso's in a certain area. he goes about 15mph faster than the speed limit, opposing the speed camera, he always gets flashed! Smile
at least the governmnet aren't trying to get us front plates Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 09 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr C wrote:
but wrong

since the doppler effect has the effect of either compressing or stretching the reflected waves (blue shift or red shift) it can indeed sense direction

this is why an exhaust note changes as it comes toward you then away from you

the frequency changes


Agreed, but the older ones are not equipped with the software to differentiate this, makes no allowance for a negative velocity hence the oncoming flash.

All the ones on the Scottish side of the A68 will flash oncoming traffic, makes for excellent sport if you can time it so you pass the camera threshold near the middle of the road as a car is crossing it heading in the direction the camera faces. Must make the police scratch their heads when they look at the pictures of a car doing 55mph by the road markings but 110 according to the radar.
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 10 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

aha OK thanks

I suspected it must be something like that

I only just ventured beyond Carterbar last time but I do seem to remember that the A68 further north is littered with the bastard things Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 10 Sep 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

In South Africa we have three methods. The oldest is with a set of wires laid across the road surface or embedded in the surface with fixed cameras. We also have the radar and the latest mobile ones are laser. Ours are still painted grey. The fixed cameras both using wires and radar are positioned to get your rear numberplate for the sole reason that other cars on your side of the road should not see the flash thus enabling them to slow down and avoid getting caught. They are usually in the middle island between bushes. The laser ones are harder to spot as they look like video cameras on tripods and can be very cleverly positioned. However our Metro Police in Johannesburg uses the same locations and at the same times so most locals know where to slow down. They take multiple shots with a single flash to ensure the correct vehicle is being photographed.
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