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PostPosted: 12:00 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Police vehicles regularly tuck in ahead of large vehicles or convoys of trucks, it's one of the oldest tricks in the book.
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Vincent wrote:
Hmmmm........... I think the police have proved how good they are at charging people for speeding or using phones while driving etc. They show some great initiative to catch these terrible criminals and it must be great fun for them but maybe it's time they showed us how good they are at dealing with serious criminals whos activities actualy affect other people like all the crack dealers, muggers, pimps, loan sharks, scrap metal thieves etc, etc ?

Just a thought.


2 things..

1. different departments
2. its not the catching them thats normally the problem, its the courts letting them go straight after due to various illegitimate reasons. (busy prison system etc..)
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So you actually got pulled because you were exceeding the speed limit?
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
supZ wrote:

2. its not the catching them thats normally the problem, its the courts letting them go straight after due to various illegitimate reasons. (busy prison system etc..)


The solution to that appears to be to apply the same level of proof both ways. So either a decent level of proof for road prosecutions (not just "admit it or we make the offence and penalty worse"), or have the courts dish out long sentences to serious offenders on the basis of just what the police say they did.

Which is acceptable probably comes down to how much you trust the police.

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PostPosted: 13:03 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
supZ wrote:
2 things..

1. different departments


One thing: same source of funding (us).

Agree on the Criminals' Justice System being the real problem though.

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Warped #2 wrote:
started to overtake a truck quite fast at 70


You should have quite savagely punched the copper gently in the throat. Rolling Eyes

I don't care about your speed, but since you went ahead and admitted that you weren't aware of what was going on around you, you should count yourself lucky to not be done for Due Care and Attention. There can't be one rule for us and another for dozy cagers.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mmmmmm...... How to spot a police "truck"
It's probably a plain white unmarked (unliveried) Scania tractor unit that doesn't have a trailer on the back ( the cops have an lease arrangement with Scania UK) to borrow them.
There's probably 2 blokes on the cab, 1 driving (at below 56) & 1 in the passenger seat using the radio/video kit to collect evidence of wrong doings & contact the rozzers ahead to pull you.
So with mirrors the size of dustbin lids on trucks, it's not too difficult to to glance up at the mirror and figure out who's inside the truck
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Re: GOT PULLED... Because of a truck.. Reply with quote
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9eTzzCveOA




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PostPosted: 15:21 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Vincent wrote:
Hmmmm........... I think the police have proved how good they are at charging people for speeding or using phones while driving etc. They show some great initiative to catch these terrible criminals and it must be great fun for them but maybe it's time they showed us how good they are at dealing with serious criminals whos activities actualy affect other people like all the crack dealers, muggers, pimps, loan sharks, scrap metal thieves etc, etc ?

Just a thought.


So you do not consider someone using their hand held mobile phone whilst they are driving as dangerous despite the number of fatalities that have occured as a result of people using their phones?

As someone has already said, different departments, and Traffic officers (and I speak from experience) get fed up with the number of fatal crashes they have to attend all because some smart arse has decided that the rules don't apply to them. The M5 crash being a point in case, even though we don't know all the ciurcumstances yet, my former colleagues would still have been there from the start and would have helped remove the charred remains.

Police officers killed on duty are often traffic officers, simply trying to do their job, and this is not to belittle other officers killed in the line of duty, but the majority (and I have lost friends and colleagues over the years) usually come from Traffic division.

Theiving scumbags cause inconvenience and anger, but it is very rare that there are the same catastropic consequences as there are when someone causes a bad crash.

That aside, Traffic officers (sorry roads policing officers) often have a higher arrest rate for serious crime than their plain clothed CID colleagues simply because so many criminals are mobile and travel from county to county.

So if you are going to make such a statement, how about going and finding out first hand what the department does and see some of the things they have to deal with? You might actually learn something!

Oh and as a by the by, I am not defending the Police despite all my years in the job on Traffic, in fact I am pretty anti Police these days, but ill thought comments such as your do make my p1ss boil!! Mad
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So you do not consider someone using their hand held mobile phone whilst they are driving as dangerous despite the number of fatalities that have occured as a result of people using their phones?

I don't care what causes dangerous driving.
I don't want people to be prosecuted if they are not driving dangerously, even if they are do something that could be dangerous.

Care to elaborate more on your current "pretty anti police" attitudes? About the last person I'd have thought to hear that from based on your previous postings!
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So you do not consider someone using their hand held mobile phone whilst they are driving as dangerous despite the number of fatalities that have occured as a result of people using their phones?

As someone has already said, different departments, and Traffic officers (and I speak from experience) get fed up with the number of fatal crashes they have to attend all because some smart arse has decided that the rules don't apply to them. The M5 crash being a point in case, even though we don't know all the ciurcumstances yet, my former colleagues would still have been there from the start and would have helped remove the charred remains.

Police officers killed on duty are often traffic officers, simply trying to do their job, and this is not to belittle other officers killed in the line of duty, but the majority (and I have lost friends and colleagues over the years) usually come from Traffic division.

Theiving scumbags cause inconvenience and anger, but it is very rare that there are the same catastropic consequences as there are when someone causes a bad crash.

That aside, Traffic officers (sorry roads policing officers) often have a higher arrest rate for serious crime than their plain clothed CID colleagues simply because so many criminals are mobile and travel from county to county.

So if you are going to make such a statement, how about going and finding out first hand what the department does and see some of the things they have to deal with? You might actually learn something!

Oh and as a by the by, I am not defending the Police despite all my years in the job on Traffic, in fact I am pretty anti Police these days, but ill thought comments such as your do make my p1ss boil!! Mad


I don't agree with either of you. I think the punishments for doing 40 in a 30 or not having a seatbelt on are far too harsh. It only rubs it in when people who actually commit crimes that affect other people get away with it.

If I get 6 points on my license for speeding and missing an L plate, I lose it, I will have almost no prospect for work because I live in the middle of nowhere. My desired jobs all include driving. Effectively stopping me progressing in life for the next few years.

If I go and mug someone, cause GBH, I will get let off with a warning, maybe some community service.

Anyone else see the imbalance there?
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If I get 6 points on my license for speeding and missing an L plate, I lose it


No you don't*. New Drivers Act only applies after you've passed. You can pass your test with 6+ points and keep your license, but you will lose it for a single addition point after that. Anyway, if your license is so important, why are you speeding in the first place?

Having said that... while I can see the purpose of the act, I think it's too rigid to really be useful. I'd rather see judges using their discretion to ban road users who are clearly incompetent or dangerous before they cause an accident, rather than waiting until they do.

(* ETA: Unless you only got your car license in the last two years, in which case you're right, but the rest of my post still stands.)

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PostPosted: 15:49 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If I get 6 points on my license for speeding and missing an L plate, I lose it, I will have almost no prospect for work because I live in the middle of nowhere. My desired jobs all include driving. Effectively stopping me progressing in life for the next few years.


Here's an idea - if keeping your license means 'everything' to you, then simply make sure you don't do 40 in a 30 or ride without your L plates on. That way you won't lose your license.

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PostPosted: 15:54 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If I get 6 points on my license for speeding and missing an L plate, I lose it, I will have almost no prospect for work because I live in the middle of nowhere. My desired jobs all include driving. Effectively stopping me progressing in life for the next few years.


Here's an idea - if keeping your license means 'everything' to you, then simply make sure you don't do 40 in a 30 or ride without your L plates on. That way you won't lose your license.

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That is obvious but it doesn't mean that is the way it should be.

I think you missed the point of my post.
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I think you missed the point of my post.


The point of your post seems to be "I want to break the law and not get punished for it".

Whether other crimes have sufficient punishment or not has nothing to do with it. That's a completely unrelated issue. (Unless you believe that GBH doesn't carry a long enough sentence, therefore the solution is to reduce sentences for all other crimes to compensate?)
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I don't agree with either of you. I think the punishments for doing 40 in a 30 or not having a seatbelt on are far too harsh. It only rubs it in when people who actually commit crimes that affect other people get away with it.

If I get 6 points on my license for speeding and missing an L plate, I lose it, I will have almost no prospect for work because I live in the middle of nowhere. My desired jobs all include driving. Effectively stopping me progressing in life for the next few years.


Don't give a proper penalty, then people EXACTLY like you won't take note and will continue to do flout the law.

The penalties are there for a reason. Esp for new drivers/riders who think they actually know how to drive.

Simplez, don't speed, dont act like a tit, you wont get pulled, wont get points, won't loose your license, nor your job. Not really rocket science Laughing

As for people mugging and stuff, well thats down to the courts, nothing to do with the police. The police can however issue points and fines. They cannot send someone to prison.

Love a good whinge at the police post, it really shows those without the simplest of understandings towards police roles, what tehy can, and cannot do Laughing
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Felicity wrote:
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I think you missed the point of my post.


The point of your post seems to be "I want to break the law and not get punished for it".

Whether other crimes have sufficient punishment or not has nothing to do with it. That's a completely unrelated issue. (Unless you believe that GBH doesn't carry a long enough sentence, therefore the solution is to reduce sentences for all other crimes to compensate?)


No, I am saying that the punishment for "crimes" which haven't actually caused any harm to anyone shouldn't be punished in the way they are.

Are you denying there is an imbalance in punishments in this country?

People that assault other people should be severely punished, people not wearing a seatbelt should be told to wear one.

Not the other way around.
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Person that assulted me got done for GBH, and got 200hrs unpaid community service, to be done in 1 year.

Do the maths on hours per week, and that is a great sentence. Rather that than be puti in jail wasting my tax paying money.

He has to give something back to the community, in fact, quite a lot.

So actually, yes, the punishment can fit the crime. Stop having a whinge. Laughing
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The Artist wrote:
No, I am saying that the punishment for "crimes" which haven't actually caused any harm to anyone shouldn't be punished in the way they are.


Do you think people who drink & drive should be let off as long as they didn't hurt anyone? Or people who drive without insurance as long as they don't cause an accident? Driving without a license? Etc, etc.

Why do you think you should be able to break the speed limit and not be punished?

The Artist wrote:
Are you denying there is an imbalance in punishments in this country?


I have no strong opinion on that, but it's a completely unrelated issue. You're saying that the solution to GBH not carrying a strong enough sentence is to reduce the sentence for people who speed. That doesn't make sense.
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I don't agree with either of you. I think the punishments for doing 40 in a 30 or not having a seatbelt on are far too harsh. It only rubs it in when people who actually commit crimes that affect other people get away with it.

If I get 6 points on my license for speeding and missing an L plate, I lose it, I will have almost no prospect for work because I live in the middle of nowhere. My desired jobs all include driving. Effectively stopping me progressing in life for the next few years.

If I go and mug someone, cause GBH, I will get let off with a warning, maybe some community service.

Anyone else see the imbalance there?


The penalties have nothing to do with the Police, they simply enforce the law, but as someone has said if you don't like the thought of losing your licence because you believe you are above the law then, then comply with the legislation and you won't have a problem.

Your licence is not an entitlement, it has to be earnt and then looked after.

If someone commits GBH and thern gets a community service order, that is not down to the Police, that is an issue with the courts and the Judiciary.
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Re: GOT PULLED... Because of a truck.. Reply with quote
hahadumball wrote:
traveling down the m2 at standard 70mph, *cough* and started to overtake a truck quite fast at 70 next thing i know.. police bike up my ass, ended up being moaned at for my speed blah blah usual words of advice after a sorry i wont do it again i asked where he was sat because i really didn't see him...

They are using unmarked trucks..
i thought it was a policeman in a truck!
upon googling..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9eTzzCveOA


Why would you need to travel at over 70 to overtake a lorry doing 55 odd?
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@Daimo - Do you know the community service was served? 200 hours is pretty decent I agree.

@Felicity

Drink drivers are far more likely to cause an accident than a sober person doing 37 in a 40. I am not saying no punishments for these petty motoring crimes, I am saying they shouldn't be so severe. 3 points on my license would be a big deal. I would rather do 200 hours community service or pay a massive fine.

The GBH thing was an example. People get away with so much but motoring offences seem to carry heavy penalties if you look at the bigger picture. People can cause other people so much harm without it truly affecting their own lives.

@ T.C.

I haven't mentioned the police in that post so I am not sure what you are on about.
I do follow the law (mostly) but that doesn't mean I can't speak out about it.

Pisses me off is all.

Just to make it clear, I am not saying people shouldn't be punished for minor speeding, on the phone, no seatbelt. I am saying they should not be punished to the extent that they are now.

Maybe you are old enough where 3 points on your license doesn't mean anything.
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 09 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
tbh, no, I could have had involvement into the punishment, but i'd rather forget the whole thing. It wasn't a nice experience (totally unprovoked attack by a pisshead who "thought" I said something, whilst taking a drag on a fag.....).

To go with your last statement, agian though, if there is nothing to detour people from doing it, they will do it again and again.

Make the punishment harsh, and by the 3rd/4th time they have been caught, they will start to get it. If not, then they deserve a bigger fine/punishment each time they are caught.
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