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PostPosted: 12:29 - 10 Nov 2011    Post subject: CRASH!! Reply with quote

Around 7 weeks ago some twat decided to pull out on me resulting in my bike being written off and serious injury to myself. I have a snapped femur, now held together with a nice metal rod and some pins, also bruised ribs and im also extremely skint and in debt due to only getting sick pay for a while. Im happy to admit that i like to have fun on my motorbikes and have done crazy things in the past that ive had to stop and think about afterwards, all experience i guess. But both my legs have been broken now in the past 10 years and on both accounts this has been a slow collision due to some other idiot not looking before they maneuver. Im just wondering if anyone else has had similar experiences because on my first accident the lady changed her story after i was in the ambulance using her work colleague as a witness which resulted in me getting absolutely nothing but debt for the broken bike that was 3 months old. This time i am seriously fucked and im not sure if im going to be able to Box or play Football again? the solicitors are dealing with it but it seems not a lot is happening very quickly, im sure the evidence is in my favour as i was travelling down a road with speed bumps at 30mph and the car pulled out of a side road straight across my right of way, i hit the car then got dragged a few meters down the road by the drivers front wheel, away from the bike as the car was skidding. If the driver took his foot of the brake and let the wheel role i doubt very much i would be typing this right now. Does anyone have any advice on what im supposed to be doing about this? i have filled all the forms that the solicitors wanted but they say the police have up to 6 months to file their report. 6 Months!!!!! how long does it take to explain something and what are they getting paid for? i had to call the police to find out their details as they left me with nothing at the schene or the hospital! i have had to come back to work far to early than i should due to the nature of my injury because i cant afford not to. any advice would be really appreciated.
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 10 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Girlfriend of mine had something similar, slow speed through a village (witnessed), dozy woman waiting to turn accross the bikes path suddenly accelerates just at the point of no return. Open and shut... No-one contested the circumstances, Sue was on life support, broke pelvis and smashed her leg to bits, had to have filter stints inserted in her arteties in case of clots. Took just under FOUR years before the case was finally settled, £150K, but Social took their slice out.
Insurance companies will argue the toss over everything, even had a private detaective following her around videoing her!
She is still in pain and unable to work. Moral is, dont have an accident!
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 10 Nov 2011    Post subject: Re: CRASH!! Reply with quote

Firstly, lol wut? Structure my friend, it makes the internets a better place!

gooner84 wrote:
Im happy to admit that i like to have fun on my motorbikes and have done crazy things in the past that ive had to stop and think about afterwards, all experience i guess.


Secondly, while i'm here, no. No it is not 'experience'. I didn't get my 125 and start doing wheelies or racing around like a muppet, nor did i do this when i got my license.

gooner84 wrote:
i have filled all the forms that the solicitors wanted but they say the police have up to 6 months to file their report. 6 Months!!!!! how long does it take to explain something and what are they getting paid for?


They are probably out wasting their time with scrotes doing burnouts in the car park. Laughing


Unfortunately it looks like you're going to have to play the old waiting game, as nothing gets sorted quickly these days, esepcially when insurance is involved.

Sorry, not much help. But yea, GWS and MTFU etc.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 10 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Secondly, while i'm here, no. No it is not 'experience'. I didn't get my 125 and start doing wheelies or racing around like a muppet, nor did i do this when i got my license.


No neither did i, infact im a wheelie virgin, what i was trying to get to the point at is i have made mistakes on a bike before by maybe trying to have to much fun and keep up with bigger bikes etc but everytime i have actually been seriously hurt its been due to someone elses mistake.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 10 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Femur
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 10 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

gooner84 wrote:
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Secondly, while i'm here, no. No it is not 'experience'. I didn't get my 125 and start doing wheelies or racing around like a muppet, nor did i do this when i got my license.


No neither did i, infact im a wheelie virgin, what i was trying to get to the point at is i have made mistakes on a bike before by maybe trying to have to much fun and keep up with bigger bikes etc but everytime i have actually been seriously hurt its been due to someone elses mistake.


Well then you are forgiven. Here, have a hug.

P.S. your femur looks twisted Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 10 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear this.

You should P.M. TC, but I expect the gist of his reply will be to get a firm of solicitors who aren't a bunch of useless wasters. You do not have to use the ambulance chasers that your insurer passed your details to.

Remember, they work for you. You can instruct solicitors to begin a court action - against the cager, not their insurer. If they say no, feel free to tell them to do one and find a firm who'll actually get things moving.

Ultimately, you don't need to use solicitors at all. You can file and represent yourself, although it sounds like you're way above the Small Claim limit, so it'll be in Big Boy court which makes representation (sadly) a good idea.

Your Achilles tendon is slack.
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 10 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Sorry to hear about your accident, sounds awful. I've not been in a simular situation, nor do I have any legal experience.
However..
I would be tempted to talk to somebody a bit higher up in the police department. Do this in writing too. The fact you've had to chase for their details is completely out of order. If you had done the same, you'd be arrested.
Also, get back on to the insurance company, keep in mind, you pay for that product, and luckily, they're regulated by the FSA these days. Again though, do this in writing. I've found in life with these sort of companies they will take much more notice of a cleverly written letter, written without prejudice etc.

If you need help with a letter, get a template from from the web (martin's money saving, or simular)

I hope this has been of some help
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edit - You bone looks fucked, I hope it heals up ok.
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 10 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Police will file the papers as soon as the case is closed, but it is the traffic accident records department who take their time as they are usually civillians dealing with many cases that have to be sent out and often only 2 of them in that department.

So it is not the Police who dealt with the crash the issue is with, but the civillian staff and they will be dealing with several hundred crashes a month, so not entirely their fault as they also have to go through each case file and remove information which is either not relevant or subject to data protection.

That is assuming of course that your current solicitors have paid the disbursment of around £60 for the report in the first place. I have come across situations on many occasions where the solicitor never bothers to obtain the report of forgets to send the fee, and this is usually legal expenses funded solicitors that make these cock ups.

It is not unusual to wait for anything up to 9 - 10 months after the case has been closed before the reports get sent out, and in one case I waited over a year despite weekly calls and emails, so in the greater scheme of things 6 months is not long at all Wink

As you are losing out financially and big time by the sounds of it, ask for an interim payment.

If your solicitor is any good (which as it appears to be a legal insurance funded solicitor, I will reserve judgement as you are now a number on their conveyor belt) he can make an application to the third party insurers for an ex gratia payment which is paid out now but is then deducted from your overall award.

So for example if your injuries are valued at £50,000 and you get £5,000 now, then your settlement cheque will be for £45,000 which is the £50,000 less the £5,000 you have already had.

The third party changing their story is not uncommon, but again if your solicitor is on the ball or they have their own in house investigator (only a couple of firms have their own in house investigators and only 1 has a motorcycle specialist in house investigator Wink ) then any changes in the third party account of events can very quickly be shot down in flames, and if needs be an independent investigator will be appointed.

You should not have been required to contact the Police for the third party details, your solicitor should have done that so that they can send off the letter of claim.

If you had to do it yourself, then that would concern me.

If you have had to return to work early because of your financial situation, then again before you do, speak to your solicitor as this may harm your claim financially as well as cause you further long term problems.

By going back to work sooner rather than a proper period of recovery, the other side will argue that your injuries cannot have been that bad as you were able to return to work, and this could send the value of your claim tumbling, even though your award will also have to take into account the long term prognosis and issues that may affect you later in life.

Hence the reason why it is important to speak to your solicitor about an interim payment NOW!!!! or alternatively drop me a PM and if you want help in a professional capacity, I and my colleague Philip Scarles will be delighted to assist you.
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 10 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C, what firm do you work for? (I assume you are the motorcycle specialist in house investigator?)

If I ever have a crash I want to know who to call.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 10 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds roughly like my accident.

It took nearly 3 years for them to sort my case, although slightly different as other guy was uninsured.

You are looking at some decent money either way mate, they do drag on forever Rolling Eyes
Any out of pocket stuff and debts caused by that accident will be covered, or atleast mine were.

I phoned solicitors nearly every day, 3 times a day to make sure they were doing what they said they would. He who shouts loudest is heard.
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 10 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
T.C, what firm do you work for? (I assume you are the motorcycle specialist in house investigator?)


T.C. is careful not to mention it, but maybe if you ask his colleague Philip Scarles.... Wink
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 10 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this is you, you are a clever chap and what you say goes on the matter.

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PostPosted: 22:58 - 10 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

My daughter was coming uphill on a Honda 125 twin, she had just passed her CBT and an old cunt (female) came out of a country lane across her path, my daughter had no time to brake and hit the Puegot in the front wing(writing the wing off), my daughter was in 4rth gear, as she was climbing.
As the lady was an 80 year old business lady, she promptly ran over the bike and sat straight on the main road, my daughter had went over her bonnet.
When the local fuzz came the sweet old cunt said that she was side swiped at 70mph(from a 125 climbing out of an uphill bend?).
The fuzz lady spotted where the damage was and where the bike went into the side of her wing. Damage to bike=front wheel buckled and handlebars twisted, forks went backwards and exhaust buried in to engine.
When it went to court, she had a QC and said that she was up the lane, looking at buying a bungalow, she was found guilty and her QC then told the court, that this poor old lady had only her pension to live off, as she took nothing out of the business(Ivor Williams Trailers).
She was let off with £100 fine and had to have an eye test, before she could drive again.
Nice one, my daughter still has the lump on her leg, after 5 years.
Amazing what money can do.
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 10 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just noticed the interim payment piece, this is a no go area, I promise you.
I had a gold Honda CB 750 stolen and accepted an interim payment, I had to fight for 1 year for the rest and they cut it to shreds, I only got a fraction of what was promised to me.
The interim payment is a bribe, so that the insurers(Norwich Union) could get on with other work, the Bastards lost my pictures of the bike twice, but I had four copies.
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

spyuggy wrote:
My daughter was coming uphill on a Honda 125 twin, she had just passed her CBT and an old cunt (female) came out of a country lane across her path, my daughter had no time to brake and hit the Puegot in the front wing(writing the wing off), my daughter was in 4rth gear, as she was climbing.
As the lady was an 80 year old business lady, she promptly ran over the bike and sat straight on the main road, my daughter had went over her bonnet.
When the local fuzz came the sweet old cunt said that she was side swiped at 70mph(from a 125 climbing out of an uphill bend?).
The fuzz lady spotted where the damage was and where the bike went into the side of her wing. Damage to bike=front wheel buckled and handlebars twisted, forks went backwards and exhaust buried in to engine.
When it went to court, she had a QC and said that she was up the lane, looking at buying a bungalow, she was found guilty and her QC then told the court, that this poor old lady had only her pension to live off, as she took nothing out of the business(Ivor Williams Trailers).
She was let off with £100 fine and had to have an eye test, before she could drive again.
Nice one, my daughter still has the lump on her leg, after 5 years.
Amazing what money can do.

I wanted to put a thumbs up to this, but then what I actually meant was this kind of outrage goes on all the time and no one details it this well!
Not sure if I should put a thumbs up or down, either way.. pisses me off as well!
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PostPosted: 07:30 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

hornetmike wrote:
If this is you, you are a clever chap and what you say goes on the matter.

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I don't think that is T.C. He is on that site I think but if he wanted to 'reveal' himself he would have.

Site bookmarked just in case, hopefully will never have to visit it in different circumstances.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

hornetmike wrote:
If this is you, you are a clever chap and what you say goes on the matter.

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No, that is not me, Terrence is one of the partners.

I am in the central management section Wink
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

spyuggy wrote:
I have just noticed the interim payment piece, this is a no go area, I promise you.
I had a gold Honda CB 750 stolen and accepted an interim payment, I had to fight for 1 year for the rest and they cut it to shreds, I only got a fraction of what was promised to me.
The interim payment is a bribe, so that the insurers(Norwich Union) could get on with other work, the Bastards lost my pictures of the bike twice, but I had four copies.


In serious cases where the claimant is suffering a financial loss or hardship, an interim payment (if dealt with properly by the solicitor) has absolutely no bearing on the final award as I explained.

It sound like you should have either transferred your case, or considered a professional negligence claim against the solicitors who screwed up.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 17 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks you for the advice, its a lot to take in for someone who knows nothing, i am going to give my solicitors a call a lot more often and see about the interim payment. I have been called by the solicitors this week, they have told me that the car that pulled out on me was actually a courtesy vehicle so they have to start the claim all over again, i guess the 3rd partys own car was being repaired from another accident!! I had my x-ray yesterday as well and the bone has not healed yet but new bone is growing!
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 17 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mate, your subframe looks twisted Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 17 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

gooner84 wrote:
Thanks you for the advice, its a lot to take in for someone who knows nothing, i am going to give my solicitors a call a lot more often and see about the interim payment. I have been called by the solicitors this week, they have told me that the car that pulled out on me was actually a courtesy vehicle so they have to start the claim all over again, i guess the 3rd partys own car was being repaired from another accident!! I had my x-ray yesterday as well and the bone has not healed yet but new bone is growing!


I do not understand why you are being told that the claim has to be started all over again? Shocked

Your claim is against the third party driver that caused your injuries, and it matters not which vehicle they were driving or who it is owned by, as the letter of claim will have been sent to the driver and this is then passed onto the insurer who were on risk at the time.

It is only if the vehicle was uninsured or the driver failed to stop that certain issues start to come into play.

Contrary to what some have said, you don't need to keep chasing unless you have gone a few months without hearing anything.

An injury claim such as yours is going to take at least a couple of years at least to be settled, and even then proceedings may still have to be issued as statute of limitation of 3 years approaches in order to protect your position.

Whilst you need to be kept informed of what is happening, don't keep harrasing with phone calls just for the sake of it.

There are set protocols under civil procedure rules that have to be complied with on both sides, and as things develop (particularly in a serious injury case such as yours) your solicitor (assuming it is not a parelegal or legal exec handling your case) will write to you advising you of developments.
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 17 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was with you up to here...

T.C wrote:
There are set protocols under civil procedure rules that have to be complied with on both sides


IIRC, "proceedings should not be started when a settlement is still actively being explored" or similar, but the key word is actively.

I can't see any good reason why it take years to settle a claim. Most of the facts can be adduced relatively quickly after the accident, and there should be effective sanctions for stonewalling or playing derisory offer ping-pong just to give the appearance of activity and try to run the clock out on the statute of limitations.

I know that's just the way the game is played, but rules only get changed when they're challenged vigorously. William Webb Ellis just picked the ball up and ran with it (apocryphally).
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 17 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I was with you up to here...

T.C wrote:
There are set protocols under civil procedure rules that have to be complied with on both sides


IIRC, "proceedings should not be started when a settlement is still actively being explored" or similar, but the key word is actively.

I can't see any good reason why it take years to settle a claim. Most of the facts can be adduced relatively quickly after the accident, and there should be effective sanctions for stonewalling or playing derisory offer ping-pong just to give the appearance of activity and try to run the clock out on the statute of limitations.

I know that's just the way the game is played, but rules only get changed when they're challenged vigorously. William Webb Ellis just picked the ball up and ran with it (apocryphally).


As you are probably aware, there is a statute of limitation, in other words a time period in which to issue proceedings against the third party in order to protect the claimant.

The statute of limitation is 3 years from date of injury or date of knowledge, whichever is the sooner, the exception being juveniles or those incapable of looking after their own affairs, for example someone who has suffered a brain injury.

However, you are correct, the issue of proceedings is usually left until the very last moment unless it is obvious that liability cannot be agreed, in which case proceedings can be issued earlier.

Once the letter of claim has been sent, under CPR the other side have three months in which to investigate and respond, at which point they can either admit liability or deny liability, usually in serious cases they will deny liability, or at the very least try and attribute contributory negligence in order to reduce and mitigate some of their losses.

Even after proceedings have been issued, it can still take several years for the case to get to trial or settle, but the claimants position is protected.

Some third party insurers will stonewall, but that apart, there are a number of reasons as to why a serious injury claim takes in some cases years to settle.

1. In the case of a serious injury, it can take months, sometimes years to make a full recovery, (assuming a full recovery is made), and the value of the claim is dependant of the level of recovery made.

To this end, it is usually the opinion (and this is from the medical profession) that in relatively minor cases, after 12 months from date of injury, the claimant should have made a full recovery, or at least recovered as much as they are likely to do.

In the more serious cases (which this one falls into) 18 - 24 months is the usual recovery time.

In the catastrophic cases, anything from 5 years onwards although in these cases it is unlikely that they will ever make a full recovery.

So, after 18 months for example, if it is deemed that the person has recoverd as much as they are likely to, then an independent medical examiner can provide an expert report not only on the extent of the injuries sustained, but also a long term prognosis, for example the likelihood of suffering from arthritis later in life, but which is important as it forms part of the claim for special damages.

If the injuries have not ful healed or a full recovery has not been made, then it is deemed an interim report with an estimation of how long it will take them to recover and any treatment that could improve or speed up the clients return to full or improved health.

One of the areas that has to be considered is - will the injuries prevent the claimant returning back to the job he/she did before the crash, and is there any loss of capacity, for example can they continue to ride a motorcycle or play sport.

In the catastrophic cases, it may be several yars until the full extent of their injuries are known and what difficulties lie ahead.

Under Civil procedure rules, both the claimant and defendant solicitors have to be seen to try and mitigate their losses, and so in serious cases, there will have to be case management conferences to look at the long term care, who is going to pay for it and how it will be paid.

If independent expert reports are required to prove liability, these can also take time, plus the correspondence that bounces backwards and forwards, and then if part 36 offers are made and then withdrawn, these all add up to the time scale.

Then there are the special damages, which includes loss of earnings, out of pocket expenses, any special treatment required, travelling, and, and, and!!!!

In cases where there has been some time off work, then the DWP has to sometimes get involved as there may be an issue with benefits or other grants which also have to be included in the schedule of costs.

But it is the recovery time that tends to be what holds matters up, and then the liability issue, especially where there is no independent evidence.

This is why if a claim management firm or solicitor for that matter (and legal expenses solicitors are some of the worst) say that a case can be settled or paid out inside 6 months to a year, then for sure it can be guaranteed that the case has been undervalued.

I can give you a prime example.

When I had my bad accident, and before I worked in the private legal sector, the solicitors appointed by the Police federation after 8 months advised me to settle my case for £2,500.

I was none the wiser as I was just a simple traffic cop and had no understanding of how the personal injury law side worked.

I was advised to settle and I signed a full and final settlement even though I was still suffering.

A few years later I was forced to retire because of my injuries, and at some stage my foot will require amputation.

Because I was on the conveyor belt (which I know now Rolling Eyes ) as i said I was non the wiser and signed.

I subsequently found out that the starting price for my injuries should have been over £300,000, nearly £297,000 more than I accepted.

All because my claim was settled inside 9 months.

In the case of say a brain injury at birth, the case may not settle until they reach 18 years of age because it is not known what they will be capable of doing job wise, and figures have to be worked out using special multiplyers working on the basis that they would have worked until age 65.

Sorry, I rambled on a bit, but hopefully that gives a bit of an explanation as to why cases can take so long to settle.
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 17 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting stuff, as always.

I'm sorry to hear about your foot, but on the bright side you can keep it in a jar, it'll be great at Hallowe'en. Sick
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