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BIKEVIDDER
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Ear plugs. Reply with quote

Use them ? if so.
Foam or rubber.
Good & bad type recommendations please.
If not.
Do you have your hearing checked ?
Long term riders, do you have hearing loss ?
I've used good quality ear plugs since the early 70's & my hearing is ok backed up by hearing tests..
Just wondered about others opinions.
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep meaning to pick some up but haven't got around to it yet. I would be interested in hearing the benefits and if there is any negatives to using them.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I commute every day at 70mph on the M8 and M74, and whilst it is a little noisy, I have yet to try earplugs. I would be worried about how quiet it would make things. Listening to my engine, other vehicles, shouting pedestrians, horns etc etc all would be surely dampened by earplugs. Same reason I don't listen to music, I wouldn't want to block anything out.

I'd also be interested in other peoples experiences in using them. I suppose I could just buy a pair, and give it a go. Its not like they are expensive. Smile
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ear plugs lessen the level noise, they do not completely block it out. If you do an internet search there may be a company offering a box of ear plugs in a variety of designs and compounds, you can then determine what type you prefer.

Some years ago a doctor at Bristol was carrying out research into the effectiveness of ear plugs on preventing hearing loss, specifically in motorcyclists. There was a link to reduced hearing in those not using ear plugs, as there always has been to those exposed to high levels of noise. The problem with hearing loss is that it is insidious, you are frequently unaware as how damaged your hearing has become and sadly there is no cure.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use the orange max lite ones. You can use them more than once, in fact when they go all greasy and grey from ear grease you can rinse them off. And keep on using them over and over, but they lose effectiveness over time. When you've been using an old pair for ages and get a new pair they sit snugly.

I use them for skydiving and riding, 30p or 5 packs of £1

They do not mute things as sounds still come through your skull. For example in skydiving, I wear them on the way up as those planes are not exactly well insulated for sound or heat. And a 900shp turbine whining away 3 metres away is loud. I also really hate the flap flap flap of the slider (though I pull it down behind my head these days) again it doesn't mute the sound it just dulls it considerably. So I can still hear the relative wind in freefall.

On bike I can still hear things and people speak but it just dulls the sound a bit same with the wind and the engine. The dulled sound of the engine is compensated by the feeling through the bike. After a while you'll get used to them so much that everything is a bit quieter but you can still hear many things.


The foam ones I think are best, you just roll them and stuff them in, and they should expand to fit your ear canal. They are slightly dangerous for skydives though. Chris (an instructor) had one go way deep into his ear when we went a bit higher than expected, but this was the fault of air traffic control.
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always use them. Daily in fact.

My hearing isn't what it used to be, mainly down to nightclubs when a young'un and bikes.

I find the Earsoft Neons (yellow) work really well - they take out all the high frequencies without stopping you hearing what's going on around you, they also aren't too bulky like some of the other foam ones. Just make sure they go right into the ear canal, otherwise they won't do a lot.

Not overly expensive either - I get around 5-6 rides out of a pair before they get a bit grubby, and they are around £8 for 50 pairs off of ebay or the like.


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PostPosted: 14:09 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to my hearing consultant, it's the wind noise that causes tinnitus not the engine and can. So now I use ear plugs so it doesn't get any worse as I have poor hearing in the mid range or some thing like that along with tinnitus Embarassed I've only used the foam ones and have found the tapered ones better than the non tapered. the only problem for me is that now I end up with that ringing in my ears unless I use the ipod (and they are not as comfy as the plugs Cool ) So to sum it all up, dont drive a truck with your window open(as thats what they say caused mine) and re route you exhaust to exit by your tank and you'll be happy ever after.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pottering around town or to work (3 miles in built up) I dont bother - but long journeys on NSL / Mway - for the benefits you got to be pretty stupid not to.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im deaf in both ears. So it cant get any worse! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

nant wrote:
Im deaf in both ears. So it cant get any worse! Very Happy



It can, you get a constant ringing in your ears when there is silence.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:
nant wrote:
Im deaf in both ears. So it cant get any worse! Very Happy



It can, you get a constant ringing in your ears when there is silence.


Already got that mate. Been deaf since birth. Used to it.
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I have tried the foam ones and not go on with them. I seem to have an odd shape ear with a large outer ear and a small inner ear, and the foam ones don't stay rolled up long enough to get them into place 99% of the time. When I have got them t work (and some which sat roasting on the parcel shelf of the car for a year expand slowly enough to get into place) they are very good.

I have sound moulded ones which work quite well and are easy to get into place. However they are not as effective as the foam ones.

However my hearing has certainly suffered from years of riding bikes.

banditjohn wrote:
According to my hearing consultant, it's the wind noise that causes tinnitus not the engine and can.


Yep, engine and exhaust are fairly quiet.

Quite a few years ago PB did a test with a rider on a CBR600 with a microphone for a noise meter in their ear, 100mph on a test track with a load of different helmets. Quietest was 105db (safe for only a very short time) while the noisiest was 120db.

All the best

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PostPosted: 15:52 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use E.A.R Ultrafit 20s. Christmas tree style plugs. One pair lasts over 6 months and they cost 99p a pair. Couldn't ride without them.
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, in that case then i think its time for me to grab a load asap.

Thankfully, i have only been riding at speed for a few weeks (not long passed test), so plenty of time to save my hearing.

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PostPosted: 17:12 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use Howard Leight Max (orange) used to use Max lite (green) not much of a difference, just go this box cheaper. I buy them from online workwear stores in boxes of 200 for about £15.
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

CadillacMoon wrote:
I commute every day at 70mph on the M8 and M74, and whilst it is a little noisy, I have yet to try earplugs. I would be worried about how quiet it would make things. Listening to my engine, other vehicles, shouting pedestrians, horns etc etc all would be surely dampened by earplugs. Same reason I don't listen to music, I wouldn't want to block anything out.

I'd also be interested in other peoples experiences in using them. I suppose I could just buy a pair, and give it a go. Its not like they are expensive. Smile


Oh if only they were that effective!

banditjohn wrote:
According to my hearing consultant, it's the wind noise that causes tinnitus not the engine and can. So now I use ear plugs so it doesn't get any worse as I have poor hearing in the mid range or some thing like that along with tinnitus Embarassed I've only used the foam ones and have found the tapered ones better than the non tapered. the only problem for me is that now I end up with that ringing in my ears unless I use the ipod (and they are not as comfy as the plugs Cool ) So to sum it all up, dont drive a truck with your window open(as thats what they say caused mine) and re route you exhaust to exit by your tank and you'll be happy ever after.


Your hearing consultant is right. The best cure for the wind noise is a helmet that fits properly. Hearing damage is a very real threat to motocyclists, though it seems to overlooked far too often.
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you know Police bike riders have their ears checked & when hearing is affected they are off the bikes onto other duties.
Hearing loss is so gradual It's not noticed untill It's permanently lost or tinnitus has started.
I agree with the majority of users that foam plugs work best but I only reuse once.
I found that some types cause the tampon syndrome, dam painful & enough to put you off so if you ear canal swells up (closes up) & your ear becomes painful don't use plugs for a while then try something different.
The best ones for me are the original E.A.R. Classics & Superfit 33's.
The Superfit 36's are a little better but longer, good for work but not so on the bike.
At work the noise is 120db's + & I do 10hr shifts so hearing protection is a subject I'm keen to keep up to date with.
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

CadillacMoon wrote:
I commute every day at 70mph on the M8 and M74, and whilst it is a little noisy, I have yet to try earplugs. I would be worried about how quiet it would make things. Listening to my engine, other vehicles, shouting pedestrians, horns etc etc all would be surely dampened by earplugs. Same reason I don't listen to music, I wouldn't want to block anything out.

I'd also be interested in other peoples experiences in using them. I suppose I could just buy a pair, and give it a go. Its not like they are expensive. Smile


Big thumbs up for this post. Thumbs Up I know when I was hitting 60 down a country lane the other night, it was getting very noisy, but I wouldn't want anything to block out possible warning signs such as horns or people shouting as you said.

I personally wouldnt use a pair, but I suppose it depends on how much you are riding with loud wind noise etc.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

earplugs my arse, i've been a builder for 12 years and a biker for 6. I've never used earplugs on site or on the bike and i can hear a pin drop from a hundred paces Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
The best cure for the wind noise is a helmet that fits properly. Hearing damage is a very real threat to motocyclists, though it seems to overlooked far too often.


It is a very real risk, but a well fitting helmet designed to be quiet merely brings the time it takes for damage to occur at speed up to minutes. Hence ear plugs. Most of the noise seems to be generated from under the base of the lid

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:23 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have some disposable foam plugs, but only used them very occasionally on longer trips.
I also have some reusable unes like these that I have good intentions of using on motorway trips.... but to be honest I don't use them anywhere near as much as I should.

I've occasionally noticed a white noise sound after a long trip, but it clears after a short time, and I've not noticed any deterioration in my hearing. And no I haven't had a hearing test for some years
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use the foam ones all the time, they don't detract from traffic noise/exhaust or engine noise that much, you can still hear people if they raise their voice...they just cut enough noise to protect your hearing from the wind noise Thumbs Up

oh and +1 for the properly fitting lid.....this week i've been using my old cheap lid and it's loose and very noisy compared to my more expensive and better fitting one. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:

Big thumbs up for this post. Thumbs Up I know when I was hitting 60 down a country lane the other night, it was getting very noisy, but I wouldn't want anything to block out possible warning signs such as horns or people shouting as you said.

I personally wouldnt use a pair, but I suppose it depends on how much you are riding with loud wind noise etc.


So you're expecting to be able to hear people when you're driving along at 60 and use that as a basis on which to react? Confused

I'd suggest a better option would be ear plugs and looking around for people who may be trying to attract your attention.

Kickstart wrote:

It is a very real risk, but a well fitting helmet designed to be quiet merely brings the time it takes for damage to occur at speed up to minutes. Hence ear plugs. Most of the noise seems to be generated from under the base of the lid

All the best

Keith


Oh I agree certainly ear plugs are essential! My point was more that the helmet causes much of the noise, so if this can be reduced then the ear plugs will face less of an uphill struggle.
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use these when riding https://www.sennheiser.co.uk/uk/home_en.nsf/root/private_headphones_classic-line_cxseries_502737

Seems to do the job of the earplugs without the silent boredom Smile
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 11 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howard Leight Laser Lite. Can't ride without em.

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