My situation has changed somewhat....

[Bomberman]

Hey all,
Well, my original plan was to buy a cheap old cg125 or something similar and ride around for a year or so and then do my DAS. This was partly forced on me by circumstances (skint ), and partly because it seemed the smart idea.
However, I now have to spend £900-£1000 on my first bike (Family loaner/ gift with conditions on top of my cash).
I know the better idea would probably be to get a decently newish cg still. But if I'm spending that sort of cash, I want a nice looking bike i.e; Sporty So I suppose my first question would be what can I expect to get in that price range (used)? Secondly, I see that most of the sporty numbers are two strokes. I'd like to avoid a two if possible, so what four stroke sporty types are there? (Bearing in mind they have to be learner legal still)
Finally, as oppose to the cg which would cost about £140 p/a insurance is a sporty number going to push the premium up much?
Sorry for the broad nature of these questions, but I really am just feeling my way in this bike lark
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[veeeffarr]

Hmmm the CBR 125 is a sport four stroke, although I've had the opportunity to sit on one, and being 6 foot odd meant I didnt really fit on it well, it is VERY small.

Can't think of another sporty four stroke off of the top of my head, sorry.

[Ste]

There aren't really any four stroke sports bike 125's. They have expensive plastic fairings but the engine is pretty much the same as a CG125. For £1000 you should be able to easily get an oldish NSR with fairings. Did you actually have an insurance quote of £140 per year for a CG125 or was that just an estimate. If it was real you should be able to get 125 two stroke insurance from about £250-£300 without too much hassle.

With that cash you could do your DAS course and get save up for a bit for a cheaper bigger bike.

[bikerbob]

I think the new version of the Sachs XTC 125 is a 4 stroke sports looking bike

[Ste]

Exactly, again just got expensive fairings and doesn't really have much performance difference to a CG and will cost more to buy, insure and value will drop more when selling it. Two stroke 125's are much more like a sports bike thanthe XTC or CBR125 are.

[Kickstart]

Hi

The later Sachs XTC is a 4 stroke, as is the CBR125. They are both substantially slower the a derestricted 2 stroke (25% lower top speed), which is why until recently nobody bothered with sporty 125 4 strokes until emisions rules had an impact.

However both the CBR and XTC are fairly new and you will not get one withing your budget.

All the best

Keith
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[Bomberman]

Cool, thanks for the replies all. I've seen the CBR and the Sachs bike (which looks very nice in my opinion) and yes, both are way out of my price range.
The reason I wanted to avoid a two is simply because of (according to what I've read round here) the apparent lesser reliability in comparison to the fours. Are they really that less reliable?

[Ste]

That was just a vauge guess, get online quotes to compare from somewhere like www.clickquote.com remember you'll be able to get it a bit cheaper over the phone.

[Bomberman]

[Kickstart]

[The Tot]

I'd say XR125 - don't take my word for it. Claud, Smoto Bob and 89CBR Chris all rode it today and found it was a good ickle bike - i could keep up with the rest (on their 600's and 400's), so worth recommending! Better than the CBR as it's more practical and manoueverable. Can go offroad too. Some met traffic police at the Ace cafe today thought it was a nice (cute) little bike and very practical around london. If you want a 4 stroke, get this! - I pulled 70mph on the speedo today on the flat so it's worth a thought
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[Ste]

[foxbat]

I've just bought an XR125L - I'm 6ft and this is a much better bike than the CG. Its basically just for practice before my test.

Pros - Well-built, reliable, smooth engine, easy handling, economical, chunky looks, practical (comes with rack)
Cons - Still slow (But what isn't in 4-stroke), 'buzzy biker' image

Highly recommend it for a beginner bike though.

[Bomberman]

OK, after a bit of hunting I've discovered a shop in Bradford that seems to have what I'm looking for. What do these look like for the money?
Bugger. Can't link directly thanks to the web design So if anyone would be kind enough to take the time go here - https://www.queensbury-motorcycles.co.uk/ and have a look at the two NSRs. Both early 90s, both around £900.
They also have this;
YAMAHA TZR125 F REG 27k,
very clean standard con, 12 months T+T £745.
but it's not on the site yet.
So what do you think? Worth a look? Overpriced? I like the red one
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[Keith]

Those NS' look fairly overpriced if you ask me, but thats just the way dealerships work.

I sold my Honda NS125R (same as the red one) for £400 a few weeks ago and that was a minter. The old model NS/NSR I wouldn't say is worth more than about £750.

It looks like the Yamaha has sold, I cant seem to find it on the site.
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[Bomberman]

Really? Damn I thought I'd come across something decent there, glad I decided to ask on here. Looks like my trip to lovely Bradford is cancelled then
Oh well, back to hunting I guess.
edit; What's this worth? Old TZR
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'89 TZR 125 - '94 GPZ500s - ZK3 GSXR600 Alstare

[Keith]

That looks like a good buy if you ask me.

I think that'll fetch about £700 towards the end of the auction, which isn't bad. I'd be cautious as to its engine condition, he says its good but i'd rather go check the bike out with a mechanic before bidding, just to be sure.
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[Bomberman]

hmm, sadly I don't know any mechanics any more I am however totally bowled over by the looks of that thing, very pretty I'd be perfectly happy to pay £700 for it I think. Quite close to me for a change too.

Thanks to all who've posted with advice so far, much appreciated
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'89 TZR 125 - '94 GPZ500s - ZK3 GSXR600 Alstare

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[Bomberman]