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PostPosted: 17:54 - 19 Nov 2011    Post subject: Mature Students / Going back to Uni Reply with quote

Just wondering if anyone on here has been in my position and has done something about it.

Basically I finished uni with a basic degree back in 2006 in a subject which at the time I had no interest in and only completed because Id already invested two years of my life. At the time I thought I was mature enough to be in uni and to make something of it. However the reality was that like most 18 year old's going to Uni I had no freaking clue what I wanted to do with my life, all I knew was I wanted to go travelling after uni, and was brainshwashed by schools into going to Uni no matter what. This lack of interest stunted my ambition to complete my degree at anywhere near a high standard.

So I ended up walking away with an unclassified degree which I achieved due to the amount of points I'd accrued.

My degree was in Business and Information Systems.

Present Day:

I have done my travelling and had a blast. Been all over Europe and Canada and snowboarded to my hearts content. Doing low level jobs to keep me ticking over I was happy as a pig in shit.

But I'm now at the point where I don't have anything to fall back on career wise. I come back and the most I can hope for is working as an Administrator which although isn't a bad job is not something that I can throw myself into and develop.

So after such a long winded intro:

Is there anyone here that has been in a similar situation as me?

What did you do about it?

What do you do for a living now, and do you enjoy it?


My loose plan is to find an admin job, and possibly go to night school/uni and retrain in something that actually interests me. Just don't know what that is going to be. Seeing that other people have done this already would be a confidence boost.

Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 19 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I originally finished A levels etc at high school, and left with no real idea of what I wanted to do.
Resulting in me spending 3-4 years on various job training schemes, and bundling my way thru a few crap jobs before realising that extra qualifications might help me to increase my opportunities.

So I went back to a re-start college course, and eventually to uni as a "mature student" (in my early/mid twenties) studying with other students around 5 years+ younger than me.

Dunno if 5+ years counts, but it was one of the most valuable career benefits for me at the time
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 19 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OU is a good bet for someone in your situation.

I am partway through a degree in Astronomy.
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 19 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried a bricks and mortar uni a few years back as a mature student, but found all the teenagers to be an annoying distraction.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 19 Nov 2011    Post subject: Re: Mature Students / Going back to Uni Reply with quote

Bubbs wrote:

My loose plan is to find an admin job, and possibly go to night school/uni and retrain in something that actually interests me. Just don't know what that is going to be. Seeing that other people have done this already would be a confidence boost.

Thanks in advance.


To be honest, the bit in bold suggests that it would be a waste of time going back to uni at the moment; there's little point going back as a mature student unless you're 100% sure of what you want to be doing IMO.

The second concern would be financial. On the assumption you took three years full funding on your previous degree, you're only going to get one more year of that (though you'll still be able to get a full maintenance loan for the three years, you'll only get a tuition fee loan for the last year.) I can just manage by paying my fees with the maintenance and a part time job, but fees will have gone up by the time you go back and so the fees will not even come close to being covered by the maintenance loan. That's not to say that bursaries and other university grants won't help you out a bit.

And that's enough of the negative....

I was 30 when I went back to school, and am in my second year currently. I'd done three years of a "Humanities" degree though never graduated and then did a variety of jobs before finding myself teaching DAS for a few years. While enjoyable, there was no chance of advancing my career and so I looked for something else. It is possible to do and is certainly worthwhile though I think you've already worked out that it would need to be vocational if you're looking at advancing your career. On that note, I believe that Medicine might be an exception to the rule about no second full loan. Another option is that Law certainly does shorter courses (though they're bastard intense) for Graduates - there are possibly Grad entry degrees for other disciplines?

And, as others have said the OU could be an option. Work out what you want to do first though, and then do it - you only live once. Good luck Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 19 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To be honest, the bit in bold suggests that it would be a waste of time going back to uni at the moment; there's little point going back as a mature student unless you're 100% sure of what you want to be doing IMO.


Yeah I realise this. I have a lot more of an idea of which direction id like to go. I'm good when it comes to creative things, and things that are hands on. Like to work with my hands, and anything that's design orientated.

So I'm cutting it down bit by bit. Graphic design/web design, or something along those lines seems to suit. Happily sat down and learned Cascading style sheets, html, and other stuff. Just whether I have the skills to make it in that field I guess.

You mention medical, do they have good funding these days to become doctors? Always fancied myself as a doctor. Hmmmm...choices choices. Going to research becoming a doctor now i think.
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 19 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Costs a packet to do these days because of the funding changes.

There is always the option of a masters which is a little bit cheaper, but they are viewed as vocational to what you want to do tbh and it is more self research than being taught.
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 20 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, if you want letters after your name, go straight to a Masters. You can also do a taught course, a Postgraduate Diploma - add an optional 'with Project' to essentially get an equivalent to a Masters.

At your advanced age though, you should be getting jobs based on who you know. Whether you nobbed up your degree or not, that was your chance to schmooze with the management of the future - did you make any useful contacts?
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 20 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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At your advanced age though, you should be getting jobs based on who you know. Whether you nobbed up your degree or not, that was your chance to schmooze with the management of the future - did you make any useful contacts?


Thats IF you get on with your work colleagues and you are current. I never got on with my co-workers and I vanished off to open my own company for a couple of years.
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 20 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:38 - 20 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Become a Motorcycle Courier Wink


+1, I hear it's easy money, and Bennets are great for insurance. Whistle Shifty
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 20 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temeluchus wrote:
The OU is a good bet for someone in your situation.

I am partway through a degree in Astronomy.


Im in the middle of assessing my life at the moment and a career change is something that I am giving considerable thought to. I did toy with the idea of going back to Uni to get another degree but I am trying to save for a deposit for a house so quitting my job right now and having a much reduced income isn't going to happen. So an OU course is a possibility.

Do you study in the evenings and spare time? What kind of support do they offer?

OP - Another option could be to do evening classes in something at a FE college?
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 20 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to university late, as a 21 year old mature student Laughing and did a four year degree and came out and eventually ended up back in the industry I was in originally.

After travelling I decided to change my career direction, and did some more studying with practical experience, and then looked into doing another university course. Got accepted at both Reading uni and Bristol uni (where I would have been parting with £8k tuition fees (not including books, accommodation etc.) I sat and considered both places and decided to turn down both uni places, and find work where I would be able to do studies alongside work rather to be out of work and in debt.

Finding work was tough and slow, although I am now in a decent job where I could start building up a career and get some training. I have decided to hold fire on the additional education front, till I have been here at least a year, because the work is so involving and tiring, I'm not sure I could cope with study on top of a full time job.

My advice would be - before you plunge yourself into a new course, really dig deep and think about what it is you want to be doing for your career. Would a course really be the answer, because when you have to pay so much for it, and you have the potential to be in debt for the privilege, you need to be really sure.

Could you maybe find yourself gainful employment where you can get in-house training - potential to do study part-time. I think this might be a wise move, especially at the moment. Karma Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 20 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can someone explain to me what a 'career' is, and why it matters so much?

To me it's just a bullshit word, but seems to be a sticking point for a lot of people.

What do you actually want to do in your life?

Is qualifications (meaningless bits of paper, when broken down) actually going to help you achieve it, or do you just think that it will. As someone above observed, its mostly who you know, and what you can get yourself into.

Do you actually want a 'career' or do you just think you do, because it is what everyone else seems to have, and there is some unspoken pressure there?

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Is there anyone here that has been in a similar situation as me?


I don't know what I want to do with my life, still, but i'm not overly concerned by it, though I think about different things I could do all the time. I have no great drive to do a particular thing, and it doesn't worry me unduly.

I didn't go to Uni, despite being pushed in that direction by everyone, as you said you also found. I never really felt it was for me, and so I failed my A levels and didn't go. I joined the Navy instead, it didn't get me anywhere either. Except experiences and various mental health issues.

I sometimes consider re-doing my A levels and going on to a degree, just to say that i've done it, but I really don't know what it will achieve, apart from satisfying some pride thing. I much prefer the approach I have now, which is studying precisely what I wish to study, and nothing I don't, with no tests, and entirely for my own purposes.

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What did you do about it?


Did a HGV licence Laughing

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What do you do for a living now, and do you enjoy it?


Drive trucks, most guys my age who do this (I consider us the new breed, distinct from the old farts who have done it since the beginning of time and will soon be retiring), wish they did something else, but very few seem to be able to take that step, or simply don't consider they have many options to do anything else, or even know what they might want to do.

Don't enjoy it particularly, but don't hate it either, its bearable, it pays enough, and hopefully it always will. Although it will never go 'up' to special high places either.

There is a pressure in society (and there has always been) to do something meaningful, important, be validated by people, make a difference and earn lots. To be successful for the sake of it.

You might consider that a career is just a 'job' and that as long as it provides you with enough money, and you can tolerate doing it. It might be worth worrying about it less, and focusing on the other and arguably more important stuff in life.

I'm not saying this is the answer, but it's the way I think I try to look at it.

Until I have that epiphany of finding out what I am actually on this earth to do.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 20 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

WildGoose wrote:
Can someone explain to me what a 'career' is, and why it matters so much?


For me, career means working within a specific guise, getting formal training and possibly education, so that in the future (when too old to work overseas on a working visa), I can go into said country and work because I have the career-skills which they want. Thumbs Up

I choose a specific career direction (twice), because I don't want to be doing any old crappy job, where I get no satisfaction, and hate the thought of going in each day (just to earn cash to survive). If I have to do work each day then I may as well do something that doesn't seem like work. Cool Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 02:39 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

WildGoose wrote:
What do you actually want to do in your life?

Is qualifications (meaningless bits of paper, when broken down) actually going to help you achieve it, or do you just think that it will. As someone above observed, its mostly who you know, and what you can get yourself into.

Do you actually want a 'career' or do you just think you do, because it is what everyone else seems to have, and there is some unspoken pressure there?


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I'm in a similar situation to the last couple of posts, no fixed career ambitions, im currently working in a hospital for a reasonable wage. The career prospects would be going down the management path, but personally i think the NHS could use less managers and more front of house staff.

As far as taking medical training, 5-7 years later taking certain career paths can be very lucrative, i dont think i have the compassion to be a doctor nor the ability to stomach the discrepancy in salary compared to nurses (inc nurse practitioners, who are essentially GP's in all but name).

Agreed with WildGoose it's more important who you know than a degree or letters after your name when sliding your way up the slippery pole

I would like to run my own business, i just haven't found my niche at 26, how late is too late?

That said i still want to travel, just get a bike and fuckoff for a good while...
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PostPosted: 03:37 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to Uni late I was 22 when I started my Nursing diploma. Did 2 years and had to discontinue due to health problems. I'm now waiting to go back to Uni in March 2012 after having various operations. I'll be 26 when I start my course.

Now When I was their previously, i was the 4th Youngest out a Cohort of 200, so a wide variety of ages.

Your never too old to retrain and get an education.

Some jobs, especially Nursing, I think requires a bit of general life experience before starting. I don't think id be able to cope with the major stresses and shocks you see on a ward as a fresh faced 18 year old.

Find a career path that really interests you and then look at what training and qualifications you need to do it.

Don't do what I did, I wanted to become a Nurse from a young age, but always thought I was too thick to become a Nurse. So I decided to become a bloody Travel agent and spent three years at college doing that. Luckily, the BTEC and A levels i gained from doing that enabled me to get onto my Nursing diploma, with a bit of Personal statement bullshitting from Mum who teaches Community nursing at the University I applied to.

My aim in life is to be a Nurse Practitioner, maybe in Oncology. Who knows.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm 18 and I guess in a fairly similar situation, I came out of college a few months ago with equivalent to 3 A's at A level and have had uni rammed down my throat for the last year.

But like what has already been said I don't think uni is the right option if you are unsure on what to do. I have no fucking clue, and think uni could be a huge loss of money / debt. So now I'm working in a very low job while I figure out what to do.

Better to be working than not... right?

It's weird someone mentioned HGV licence I was thinkning of that the other day..

Fuck it, I don't know either. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 11:38 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikertomm wrote:
I'm 18 and I guess in a fairly similar situation, I came out of college a few months ago with equivalent to 3 A's at A level and have had uni rammed down my throat for the last year.


TBH University is only useful if you do something vocational. That said I know many recently graduated architechs, lawyers, accountants and computer bods who are out of work or doing something totally related.




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someone mentioned HGV licence I was thinkning of that the other day..

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I was thinking of one too till I searched for it on here

This thread sort of gace me some doubts.

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=2648468#2648468
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:
bikertomm wrote:
I'm 18 and I guess in a fairly similar situation, I came out of college a few months ago with equivalent to 3 A's at A level and have had uni rammed down my throat for the last year.


TBH University is only useful if you do something vocational. That said I know many recently graduated architechs, lawyers, accountants and computer bods who are out of work or doing something totally related.




bikertomm wrote:
someone mentioned HGV licence I was thinkning of that the other day..

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I was thinking of one too till I searched for it on here

This thread sort of gace me some doubts.

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=2648468#2648468



I no longer want a HGV licence. Thumbs Up

That was a very interesting read. I don't think I'm cut out for it!
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 21 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Think (as Goose has alluded to) HGV driving used to be a well paid job but no longer is. Possibly to the extent that actual pay now is less than 25 years ago let alone in real terms.

All the best

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