IMCO vote on Type Approval Legislation (EU Anti-tampering)

[neil.]

Makes for grim reading... now we're one step closer to this crap being pushed through.

https://www.fema-online.eu/index.php?mact=News%2Ccntnt01%2Cdetail%2C0&cntnt01articleid=266&cntnt01returnid=15

[Rogerborg]

Urgh. Pretty inevitable, really, the only compromise is on the orifices in which we'll get violated.

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[neil.]

Might as well cash in and buy some stocks and shares in Johnson & Johnson as sales of this will shoot through the roof:

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[LordShaftesbu...]

[Rogerborg]

The devil will be in the implementation detail and that will largely depend on who's in charge when it comes time to legislate for it in the UK.

MAG suggest that a "competent authority" could be an MOT tester. So essentially exactly the situation that we have now, where your exhaust will pass unless you're taking the piss.

But we just don't and can't know what horrors will be inflicted on us (emissions tests, 'prove your innocence' MOTs). Essentially we're on damage limitation at the moment.
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[Stelmer]

The ultimate answer to this is for all bikers in England and Europe to point blank refuse to purchase brand new bikes after 2014 (or something) which will be subjected to these regulations.

I for one am stocking up on parts for my old heap so it can be on the road for years to come. No way on this earth would I buy something new these days.

[Knot600RR]

Pre-2014 second hand bike prices should be interesting...

[Rogerborg]

[tatters]

I better starting hording bikes again, need to get my self a old warehouse or farm.
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[stinkwheel]

It's the horrors that the anti-tamper stuff is going to propogate that worry me.

They'll either be covered in parts you can't remove or full of electronics that brick your bike if you get a hole in the exhaust.

As a matter of fact, it's if they go down the electronic route that worries me more. Special fittings tools will be on ebay within days of the bike coming out but if anti-tamper is electronic, it could be difficult to work around.

I'm pretty sure I could wire a motorbike from scratch but if it came to a canbus wired FI pulse unit, you're all of a sudden into the realms of software rather than hardware.
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[Andy_Pagin]

[haroman666]

What about bikes that currently exsist? Are they also required for inspection if I decide I want to mod my bike?
If I fancied sticking the GSXR cams in my Bandit, is that a substantial modification? Or is it just altering the engine to what's already in a GSXR and therefore not a real mod?
I know all these will have answers in time, but what I just read, seems a tad OTT.
The aftermarket manifacturing industry will plummet like tungsten steel and we'll be left with nothing but genuine replacement parts and replacement pattern stuff.
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[Charlie]

[Rogerborg]

We don't know and can't know, since the the directive essentially does say "You agree to get screwed, then we'll decide where and how hard".

Aside, the Magic Box in my Citroen went berserk and engaged the deadlocks solidly. The local electrical specialist gave up after 3 days, Citroen wanted £100+ just to plug it to their Big Magic Box (and inevitably tell me I needed a new £400 Magic Box), and it took me the best part of two days of bodging to find the right wires to hotwire to pop the locks open. I do not want more mystery electronics in my vehicles.
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[Andy_Pagin]

Considering the number of sparkies and programmers on this forum I bet we could get around any leccy restrictions.
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[stinkwheel]

[J.M.]

[LordShaftesbu...]

I'd agree with that - it's not in the bike manufacturers' interests to spend a lot of resources designing unhackable systems. They'd want to get away with the absolute bare minimum needed to comply with the regs and get the box ticked.

[Rogerborg]

[J.M.]

[Dan_Davies]

Makes me rage!! They'll have to lock me up before i do anything they demand!
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[tatters]

[Ingah]

The dodgy bit is when they inevitably push through laws criminalising playing with it/getting rid of the strangulation. They're already going towards requiring "someone else" to check whenever we make any "major" changes. We can then of course expect "creep-creep" to do the rest.

I don't want to be criminalised simply for having my bike the way i want it. I'm no "tuner", i simply want things set up to give me comfort, be easier to fix, etc.
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[stinkwheel]

[Rogerborg]

Bingo. I'll bet my lid that the 'consultant' who drew up the legislation got a new M3 for his trouble.

As an accumulator, I'll go with assuming that BMW have filed a raft of patents on crippleware and anti-tamper technology, which they will now be pleased to discuss licensing at not-quite-usurious rates.

There's no requirement (yet) in the proposed Directive to put bikes into cripple mode whenever the black box takes the huff or the service interval is exceeded, but I'll pay off my mortgage by predicting that's exactly what manufacturers will take the opportunity to do. They can all conspire to do it based on a "misinterpretation" of the Directive - heck, BMW will sell them the dongles. And yes, you want your bike working again, take it to a main dealer, and spread your cheeks wallet.

It'll be fun to see what the Chinese will do, since their core competence is scamming their way around regulations.
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Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike