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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 15 Dec 2011    Post subject: DfT Red Tape Challenge response Reply with quote
The DfT had a consultation a while back about cutting red tape in transport and traffic laws. As you might have expected, the headlines cuts were clearly pre-decided and pretty much nothing else has changed.

NO CHANGES:

Arrow No changes to helmet or eye protectors, exhausts, MSVA.


PROPOSED CHANGES:

Arrow SORN will run for "longer" and not need renewed annually.

Arrow No requirement to be insured at the point of buying VED. The Continuous Insurance Stazi will catch you later.

Arrow Removal of the driving license counterpart, which will shag everyone who passed A2 tests out of 2 years of license entitlement. Hang on to your pass certificate!
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 15 Dec 2011    Post subject: Re: DfT Red Tape Challenge response Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:

Arrow No requirement to be insured at the point of buying VED. The Continuous Insurance Stazi will catch you later.


Which removes the last possible non revenue collection reason for VED (and also SORN). And there are far cheaper ways of collecting revenue.

All the best

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PostPosted: 17:26 - 15 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fuel duty, perchance?

They're on a sticky wicket having transformed VED into a Green Tax, but in such a clumsy cack-handed way that even the saner eco-hippies are against using it for anything beyond dissuading initial purchase.

As more and more "low" emission ICE and electric vehicles enter service, revenue will drop and they'll either have to renege on that and find another way to fleece us. Since fuel duty will suffer from the same problem, I expect road pricing to be inevitable sooner or later.
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 15 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi

Going off topic here but the problem with road pricing is that it is hideously expensive.

At best proposals for it have claimed to be revenue neutral rather than cost neutral. So if it costs £100bn to collect £50bn of revenue then it is revenue neutral even if we land up paying 3 times as much.

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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 15 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:
Going off topic here but the problem with road pricing is that it is hideously expensive.


The danger is that it's massively profitable if you happen to have a non-executive directorship in the preferred supplier quango being kept warm for you.

Personally, I'd do it with ANPR cameras, dub it a "national congestion charge" and while the masses are still celebrating the death of VED, push it out steadily further from cities and towns until there's a camera on every street corner.

Mind you, I'd probably Dr David Kelly myself afterwards, but the technology and the core infrastructure is already available.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 26 Dec 2011    Post subject: Re: DfT Red Tape Challenge response Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
Arrow Removal of the driving license counterpart, which will shag everyone who passed A2 tests out of 2 years of license entitlement. Hang on to your pass certificate!


Or old driving licence - I'd like to know more, as I went the restricted route as its a safer/cheaper way to get into biking...
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 26 Dec 2011    Post subject: Re: DfT Red Tape Challenge response Reply with quote
Gothtec wrote:
I went the restricted route as its a safer/cheaper way to get into biking...


Debatable.
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 15 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:

Personally, I'd do it with ANPR cameras, dub it a "national congestion charge"
I'm guessing this would give them the option to monitor speeding on every street too?
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 15 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
st3v3 wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:

Personally, I'd do it with ANPR cameras, dub it a "national congestion charge"
I'm guessing this would give them the option to monitor speeding on every street too?


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/93/Buddy_christ.jpg/300px-Buddy_christ.jpg

Now you're getting it! Wink

Congestion Tax and Speed Tax in one handy package.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
st3v3 wrote:
I'm guessing this would give them the option to monitor speeding on every street too?


Now you're getting it! Wink

Congestion Tax and Speed Tax in one handy package.
Can see a lot of camera lenses being spray painted over in a very short time frame. Whistle
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