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If you sit your mod 1 and 2 now on your bike you will get a restricted licence, you can then do accelerated access once you turn 21 and ditch the restriction.
| direct.gov website wrote: | Accelerated access
Riders who reach the age of 21, while still within the two year period where they are restricted to maximum 25 kW machines, but who wish to ride larger bikes need to pass a further test on a motorcycle of at least 35 kW. They may practice on bikes over 25 kW under the same practice conditions for direct access riders. You will revert to learner status while practicing (on a motorcycle greater than 25 kW) although test failure will not affect your existing licence.
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If I were you I would be inclined to ignore the bike school's advice and have a crack at mod 1 myself, if you pass it then perhaps consider a half days instruction before mod 2just to pick up on any bad habits that you may have picked up. Many people on here have done their bike tests themselves on their own bikes, nothing wrong with doing it that way at all 
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At this moment in time you can take your test and be restricted, for the 2 years. You could then take the test again at 21 and that would lift your restriction. Someone on here has done that recently.
Rules are changing though, no idea of dates etc.
I took the restricted test and was a good person and waited it out 
wy pay twice to do the same thing? restriction was no major hassle for me. Each to their own though |
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| Posted: 23:37 - 28 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
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Got to agree, if you've been riding a while, mod one should be a doddle. Have a look on youtube, check here for plans of the test area etc.
That said, I found the training useful to get out of my bad habits and prepared for 'test riding'...
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| Posted: 00:40 - 29 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
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| waffles wrote: | If I were you I would be inclined to ignore the bike school's advice and have a crack at mod 1 myself |
Except he would have to present 'proof of restriction' to show his RS IS actually under the 14.5bhp Learner Legal Limit....
| hedgehugger wrote: | I took the restricted test and was a good person and waited it out |
I doubt that he's been a good boy and respected the 14.5bhp Learner-Legal Limit, riding a full power RS that's probably not even 33bhp complient, being under weight to meet power to weight limit....
You have twelve months to get tests sorted, as you should have years ago, OP...
Ironically, if you HAD got your act together, you could, by now, have a full licence, without restriction on it, and been riding that RS legally for over a year.
As for your initial question; yes, you can do tests on a 125, now; though as mentioned, the Aprillia RS is noted on the DSA 'Standard Bike' eligibility list as only permissable IF you have 'Proof of Restriction' to show it IS actually learner legal, and under 14.5bhp power limit.
If you pass, soon as you are 21. you may do the Accelerated Access course; which I believe is basically MOD 2 'DAS' test, to lift the restriction... if you are bothered about such things....
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| Posted: 03:30 - 29 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
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| waffles wrote: | If you sit your mod 1 and 2 now on your bike you will get a restricted licence, you can then do accelerated access once you turn 21 and ditch the restriction.
| direct.gov website wrote: | Accelerated access
Riders who reach the age of 21, while still within the two year period where they are restricted to maximum 25 kW machines, but who wish to ride larger bikes need to pass a further test on a motorcycle of at least 35 kW. They may practice on bikes over 25 kW under the same practice conditions for direct access riders. You will revert to learner status while practicing (on a motorcycle greater than 25 kW) although test failure will not affect your existing licence.
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Thank you very much for the reply, that has covered all of my current questions.
What you have mentioned about the Mod1 has passed my mind once or twice. Am i right in thinking that Mod1 is a "off the road" examination that covers the basic riding tasks?
The second part of my question was going to be about what my best test procedure would be. I think i will have to look into your suggestion a little further as it would appear to be the most cost effective.
| hedgehugger wrote: | At this moment in time you can take your test and be restricted, for the 2 years. You could then take the test again at 21 and that would lift your restriction. Someone on here has done that recently.
Rules are changing though, no idea of dates etc.
I took the restricted test and was a good person and waited it out
wy pay twice to do the same thing? restriction was no major hassle for me. Each to their own though |
One of my worrys was the cost. If i have to pay the full price for two full training courses & tests it makes me start to question if it is the best financial choice to make.
| Bomberman wrote: | Got to agree, if you've been riding a while, mod one should be a doddle. Have a look on youtube, check here for plans of the test area etc.
That said, I found the training useful to get out of my bad habits and prepared for 'test riding'... |
Thanks for the link, i will have to give it a read! I will have to check out youtube for some pointers and get practicing!
| Teflon-Mike wrote: | | waffles wrote: | If I were you I would be inclined to ignore the bike school's advice and have a crack at mod 1 myself |
Except he would have to present 'proof of restriction' to show his RS IS actually under the 14.5bhp Learner Legal Limit....
| hedgehugger wrote: | I took the restricted test and was a good person and waited it out |
I doubt that he's been a good boy and respected the 14.5bhp Learner-Legal Limit, riding a full power RS that's probably not even 33bhp complient, being under weight to meet power to weight limit....
You have twelve months to get tests sorted, as you should have years ago, OP...
Ironically, if you HAD got your act together, you could, by now, have a full licence, without restriction on it, and been riding that RS legally for over a year.
As for your initial question; yes, you can do tests on a 125, now; though as mentioned, the Aprillia RS is noted on the DSA 'Standard Bike' eligibility list as only permissable IF you have 'Proof of Restriction' to show it IS actually learner legal, and under 14.5bhp power limit.
If you pass, soon as you are 21. you may do the Accelerated Access course; which I believe is basically MOD 2 'DAS' test, to lift the restriction... if you are bothered about such things.... |
I realise that many younger riders may have unsuitably powered bikes and incorrect insurance to legally be using their vehicles on the road but this is not the case for everyone.
With the threat of having a bike seized which has cost me thousands due to a incorrect licence (and therefore invalid insurance) a incorrectly powered and insured bike is of no interest to me. My bike was purchased as a restricted learner legal model from my local Aprilia dealership and has only ever had maintenance work carried out upon it.
Thanks for your reply regards licencing.
I am not particularly fussed about doing any tests on my own bike unless of course it would save a drastic amount of money.
It is interesting to read the suggestions about taking the Mod1 straight away, it was something i had considered but thought i may have been running away with myself. I will have to read up and have a watch of some videos.
As for the suggestion of half a days tuition, is this a common thing to be able to do? Every one of my local riding schools does not offer the opportunity of being able to do this. They only offer a set amount of days, the shortest of which being 2 days costing around £400 or there abouts.
Thanks again for the replies, I really am looking forward to being able to get something a little bit more suited to a daily commute. |
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I'm not sure what makes you more of a tit; spending six years pratting about on L-Plates, not getting a licence, or wasting huge amounts of money on exotic tiddlers, that are as or more expensive to buy & run than a 'big-bike', or actually abiding self imposed restrictionimplied by NOT getting your tests done, and cutting the things balls off, with a restriction kit?!?
BUT, there you go; the foolishness of youth, I suppose.
Clipped from anoother thread, in a galaxy not very far away:-
| Teflon-Mike wrote: | There are TWO licence groups currently available.
A1 - 125 Only licence. STILL actually with the 14.5bhp power limit as learner legals.
A - The FULL any size, any power motorcycle licence.
A (restricted) - OK, there's 'sort' of three groups! Restricted A is the same A group; its a full licence; BUT if you test on a 125, you have a two year, probationary restriction to machines with no more than 33bhp. When that lapses, though, its a full A group, ride what you like. You dont have to take any other tests or anything.... just wait two years.
There are Three parts to the motorcycle test; plus the pre-qualifier of CBT. So to get a full licence you need:
1/ CBT
2/ Theory/Hazard test (for motorcycle!)
3/ Module 1 Practical 'off-road excersises'
4/ Module 2 Practical 'on road riding'
Parts and thier prices are exactly the same, whether you are testing on a sub 120cc or unlisted 125 bike for the A1 125 only licence; on a 120-125cc listed 'Standard Bike', or on a 'full power' DAS machine. Only difference is the bike you take the tests on.
There is absolutely NO compulsion to do ANY training for your tests, apart from CBT.
You can test for A1 on any bike, under 120cc. But to test for 'Standard-Bike' to gain Restricted A-Group, bike has to be on the DSA approved list, and between 120 & 125cc, with cert of restriction, if it is one of the bikes that may be supplied with more than Learner-Legal power.
If you want to test for DAS, you have to be over 21, and you have to have completed CBT, and done Theory/Hazard for a motorcycle; BUT you have to do both Mod 1 & Mod 2 practical tests on DAS eligible 'Full-Power' motorcycle, I think over 400cc or there abouts. |
You dont say where you are & haven't filled out location in your profile so we cant offer advice on riding schools.
Doing tests on your own bike, IS a very cheap way to a full licence; costs, £31 for Theory/Haz, £15.50 for Mod 1, £75 for Mod 2, if you self book; £121.50 total....
This is ALL that has been holding you back all these years!
Schools LIKE to push DAS courses; its where they make thier money; & its easy money for Instructors, much of it there merely watching learner wobble about 'practicing' on full power big bike, fullfilling legal requirement for 'supervision' just to let them BE on that bike.
If schools wont offer hourly lessons, on a 125 or your own bike, find another; travel if needs be; becouse school doesn't want to teach you; just make money!
No need to do any training, though; but it is worth it, IF you find a school who do teach.
No; not really worth doing a 'Course' at £1000 or whatever, to do 'Standard Bike' test, and then have to repeat part for Accelerated Access.
Do the tests, on your RS. If you HAVE PoR, ought not be a problem. & saves you a lot of money.
When you have full licence; worry about Accelerated access, if/when its an issue.
Pull the restrictors from your RS, and you'll have around double the power it has now, which will make it a LOT more interesting. Depending on model, it may NOT actually be 33bhp licence complient, some of them make a tad too much power for thier weight, though I doubt any-one would notice, its so close.
Else you have restricted 500 twins to play with, which would also be a lot more inspiring, and plenty useful enough after a strangled RS.
IF these aren't sufficient for two years; THEN you may want to do A-A, and that ought not need a full DAS course.
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Maybe he didn't care and wanted a fucking 125 
You talk to learners like they are complete and utter fucking idiots. I did a CBT and stayed on that for a year before going any further.
My flat mat has sat through 2 full CBTs and let them both expire, he is still a biker (has since passed test) but even on Ls no one was pushing him to pass.
You have a wealth of knowledge within that mind of yours im sure, your structuring is as good as a 2 year old with lego, but you need to remember he IS a learner, he WILL do what he wants with HIS licence. How many times has snowie failed? Maybe stop drilling that you NEED to pass.
Having a licence is a bonus, but L plates give some decent road entitlement. I learnt more on a 125 than I have on a bigger bike.
Give the L platers a break. Its their fucking licence
OP -
You will need to provide proof the RS is restricted to sit the test.
Had an RS, can't really go wrong, handle superbly.
Mod 1 might be a pain on the RS, but you can probably handle it well enough. Have a look for Module 1 on youtube.
Good luck, also regarding the accelerated access, its totally up to you, but personally I found 2 years flew by... and I didn't have any restrictors in |
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| Posted: 11:36 - 29 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
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| ##Paddy## wrote: | Maybe he didn't care and wanted a fucking 125 |
We both ride tiddlers, Paddy, we just have full licences that dont limit us to nothing more.....
If you are old enough to ride a 125 on L-Plates, you are old enough to ride ANY bike on a full Licence.
Riding on L's is a legacy loop-hole, and while many do perpetual L-Plate; there is very little good reason for it. Tests only cost £121.50 and its not an Astro-Navigation exam!
Meanwhile, merely becouse they are learner legal; 125's are over-priced and fairly under-whelming; can be fairly cheap to run; but an RS125 isn't, and to my mind, its a bit 'silly' to be paying that kind of money for a sporty bike, that even full power isn't THAT fast, and learner restricted, even less so, when for the price of repeating a CBT, you could get a full licence and get full value from the thing; or a bigger bike, that is cheaper to run, and or delivers 'more' for your money.
Hence a 'bit tittish' thing to do; but nievity of youth, we learn by our mistakes; lad is now, belatedly, looking further; hence advice on how to progress.
As for Snowie?!?! Well, it didn't help her forgetting to turn the petrol on..... AMAZING how far into a Mod 2 you can ride on the fuel in the float bowls of a Super-Dream  But that's another story, really!
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| Posted: 11:46 - 29 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
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I ride a tiddler (50) in the sig because its too damn hilarious to say no to, its like 50cm tall 
I know what you mean but with the first bit of your post.
| Quote: | I'm not sure what makes you more of a tit; spending six years pratting about on L-Plates, not getting a licence, or wasting huge amounts of money on exotic tiddlers, that are as or more expensive to buy & run than a 'big-bike', or actually abiding self imposed restrictionimplied by NOT getting your tests done, and cutting the things balls off, with a restriction kit?!?
BUT, there you go; the foolishness of youth, I suppose.
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The 2 bolded parts, doesn't make him a tit, makes him mis-informed as to what he can and cant do on the road.
Youth = foolishness, its programmed into us  I'm not too far past my youth but I'm already forgetting how foolish I was. |
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I think L-Plate riding was very beneficial to myself. Not only was I learning to ride, and picking up the skills to get me through my test, but I was also able to get about, to and from work and even out of town when the weather and mood took me. Something you can't do with any other mode vehicle.
My bike does what I want it to do, it gets me where I want to go and has given me something to learn about and on, when things go wrong, or when I drop/fall off it. I've made many mistakes with this bike, and things I don't plan to repeat with my next one.
The bike was affordable, it's certainly been reliable and beneficial to me, and everything I do. I have my license, albeit restricted, but I'm happy enough that I managed to do it on my own.
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| AnPhonEh wrote: | I think L-Plate riding was very beneficial to myself. Not only was I learning to ride, and picking up the skills to get me through my test, but I was also able to get about, to and from work and even out of town when the weather and mood took me. Something you can't do with any other mode vehicle.. |
I agree, the L-Plate loop-hole, is something that is very useful; it was contrived in the days before practical radio supervision, to allow an unqualified rider to learn & practice.
The irony is that motorcycles are THE most dangerous form of motorised transport on our road, YET the only one we let unqualified motorists loose with ahead of passing competency tests.
AND Learner Legal 125cc motorcycles, usually capable of national speed limit speeds are NO 'toys' and no safer by dint of limited performance, than any other motorcycle.
However; the 'traditional' way of learning, via unsupervised L-Plating, can be a very good way to learn, and compared to the modern trend of Intensive DAS course, under Radio Supervision, CAN be MUCH better preparation for surviving on a big bike...
BUT... How much fucking 'practice' does any-one NEED fuck's sake?
It's NOT an Asto-Navigation exam!
People can pass tests in a week, via DAS, so doing it a bit 'better' 125'ing it? What, three months? Thats what Easy-Duz took? Six months, bit of margin? A Year?
TWO YEARS; the life of a CBT cert, is AMPLE time to get as much practice as you need to do the tests!
OK; 'Life' happens, so maybe bikes break, get nicked (what happened to me while on L's!) or you have a financial crisis or whatever....
ONE repeat CBT, that's a 'Fuck Up'; things haven't worked out; so second chance. Learn from what went wrong, get your act together, get the licence 'sorted' this time.
TWO rpt CBT's? Well, either you are incredibly unlucky, OR you have simply not got your shit together. OR you simply aren't that interested, or bothered. In which case you dont deserve to be on a bike. Deserves a fair size kick up the arse, to sort yourself out.
THREE CBT's? Err.... that's pushing it; NO-ONE ought be THAT unlucky! SERIOUSE questions need asking. Like whether you OUGHT to be on a bike at all.
Bottom LINE is, that without a 'full-licence' you are utilising a loop-hole and are NOT a qualified rider.
The 'provisional' is NOT a '125-licence', the tests to get a 'big bike licence'
TESTS get you a 'FULL' licence, and if you dont want to ride big bikes, you dont have to; if you are happy to ride a 14.5bhp 125 for ever, then NOT doing the tests, becouse you 'dont want a big bike' is no excuse; THAT is what the A1 licence is for.....
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