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PostPosted: 20:09 - 29 Dec 2011    Post subject: Ideas thread Reply with quote

Indeed, il get shot down for this but i dont' care.. I'm tired to the back teeth of doing insurance quotes on bigger cars today, even simply have to only change a reg on GoCompare is boring me..

So, couldn't a website be created where you put all your credentials in and it gives you a list of 'suitable' vehicles to suit 'you'?

Variables could be changed, like car category or bike type, but ultimately you put in:

Name:
Age:
Location:
Job:
NCB:
Points:

Basically the same info as you do for comparison site except the result you get is say, the top 10 or 20 most suited vehicles to you based on insurance price, or group. What would it cost/take to do?
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 29 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

or you could look through a list of cars to see what group they are and get a quote on some of the low numbers
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 29 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
or you could look through a list of cars to see what group they are and get a quote on some of the low numbers
True, that method is already an option.

But, that means trawling for hours on insurance sites and places like Parkers through each category of vehicle to see if that bargain you found is within budget.

Want a van? which ones can you afford to insure?
Want a bike? same.

it probably would be too much effort to make it a viable idea but i thought putting your details into a search and having the option of choosing the respective categories of your licence to which vehicles you could insure as a result wasn't such a bad concept.

E.G, Binge recently asked on FB whether he should get a van or use a trailer with the car; he'd put his details in and find out which option is cheaper, a van or car and which of the types respectively are cheapest - Transit compared to a Berlingo or Clio compared to an Astra.

Meh, well. Karma
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 29 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have to ask the price...

Insurance is something you either put up paying or dont care paying as the vehicle is either a dream or a utilitarian form of transport.
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 29 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Insurance is all crap. makes no sense.

4 bikes insured for courier use £500

1 merc estate worth a grand insured for private use £790

Insure for a years worth of public and buildings liability for filling nightclubs up with foam £1200

Merc going in next few weeks to make way for a van which is likely to cost slightly less for courier work Confused
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PostPosted: 01:49 - 30 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was looking because:

My 106, P reg 1.5 Diesel = £1400 TPFT
Vectra, old style 2.0 Di = £1100 TPFT
Nissan Micra, 1L 1990 petrol = £800 FC (but £990 TPFT)
VW Bora, 2KReg, 1.9TDi = £1200 TPFT

How is a shitty little Micra that much when a 2L diesel's barely £500 more and twice the power?
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PostPosted: 03:04 - 30 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's how it is St3v3, all about finding the loopholes in insurance. Why do you think I ride a 750 at my age?
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PostPosted: 03:18 - 30 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:

How is a shitty little Micra that much when a 2L diesel's barely £500 more and twice the power?


Perhaps the micra is your baseline, they've decided you're £800 of risk minimum.

Perhaps the micra is so shitty that you're more likely to hurt the occupants if you have an accident, so it's oddly high.

I quite like your idea, it'd need a lot of research though to see if all insurers weight cars the same way.
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PostPosted: 03:25 - 30 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 with L-Jam
I'm 20 license held 1 year, 1 years ncb.
In July I had a 1.6 Megane, swapped my insurance over 2 months into the policy to a 3.0 v6 Omega
Insurance group 5 up to 16 went from £860 to £710.
Not gonna set the world alight with performance but 200bhp and RWD will do me for now.
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 30 Dec 2011    Post subject: Re: Ideas thread Reply with quote

The problem is that from what I've seen, different insurers will treat different people in different areas differently.
So I suspect you could only really build up a representative picture for you. Also, they should be changing their risk weightings fairly regularly to reflect new statistics.
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 30 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It isn't a bad idea, but to work realistically it would need to capture data from lots of people running quotes to build an overall profile.

In the meantime, last time I was going quotes looking for cheapness Lancaster insurance came out on top by a long way. They specialise in classics, and it was a classic policy. This means that you don't earn no-claims, but it can be used to keep NCB alive (and lost if you have a crash with them). I think commuting was permitted.

I was running the quote on a 1990 Jag XJ6 Sovereign 4.0, and it came out at under £300. This was for a 25 year old with lots of no claims, 6 points in the last 5 years, and no accidents, in a high risk postcode.

Try some quotes with them. You may even get a decent quote on something fun, like a Triumph Spitfire or an MGB. Cars like that cost a bit more to buy, but hold their value and are very easy to work on. The important thing is to buy one with good bodywork, although to be honest one with ratty bodywork and a year's MOT can be had for under a grand, which makes sense for young drivers with horrific insurance premiums.

You'll learn to drive properly with a Triumph Spitfire, or even a Herald, in winter up north. Swing-beam rear axle and rear wheel drive, coupled with poor brakes, requires a bit of skill to use properly.

A big Jag is a nice car to drive. They can even drift, but getting it out of the drift requires a bit of work. Nice to work on, everything is made of solid metal and designed to be rebuilt, but rust can be a problem. You won't be shortening the service intervals for longevity, seeing as the engine takes about 8 litres of semi-synthetic. That said, mine had over 200,000 miles on it and ran well. Autobox was clunky going into second, which a change of fluid and filter helped but didn't eliminate. Air con didn't work, and being an old R12 system wasn't worth fixing. Rust was creeping in, and would have made the car uneconomical within 4 years, 6 if I spent a few days with sandpaper and waxoyl under the car. Difficult to park, and 15-18 to the gallon.
But, 4 litre engine propelling 2.5 tonnes of steel. It could move quickly, had lots of grip, and was smooth.
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 30 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not all companies will make it easy for you to use their data, others will manipulate the data to suit themselves on your site. In any case, keeping the data current for so many vehicles and configurations will be a nightmare! Worst of all for your massive costs you will be advising them on the car to buy but they won't buy the insurance through you, instead they will research the insurance further and buy from the cheapest broker, so you'll not be getting much revenue! Oh and you'll need internet traffic and advertising = expensive. If this idea made even a slight bit of financial sense the other brokers would already be doing it.
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 30 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Insurance in the UK is a fucking pisstake, can't even drive someone else's car without being a named driver Evil or Very Mad
Over here not only could I get a zxr 750 insured for under a grand at 19, but I can drive my dad's car whenever I want without my name anywhere in the documents Thumbs Up
(one of the few good things about Spain)
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 30 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Svedebo wrote:
Insurance in the UK is a fucking pisstake, can't even drive someone else's car without being a named driver Evil or Very Mad
Over here not only could I get a zxr 750 insured for under a grand at 19, but I can drive my dad's car whenever I want without my name anywhere in the documents Thumbs Up
(one of the few good things about Spain)



The other two being warmer weather and cheaper drinks and that's about it I think Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:25 - 31 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
Svedebo wrote:
Insurance in the UK is a fucking pisstake, can't even drive someone else's car without being a named driver Evil or Very Mad
Over here not only could I get a zxr 750 insured for under a grand at 19, but I can drive my dad's car whenever I want without my name anywhere in the documents Thumbs Up
(one of the few good things about Spain)



The other two being warmer weather and cheaper drinks and that's about it I think Laughing


Cheaper drinks is very subjective to where you go though...
Loughborough clubs: 3 quid for a double
Barcelona clubs (the nice ones): 10-12 for a standard vodka/whisky whatever, 20 for a hendrix gin, etc
So I go far more mental in the UK Razz

Moving away soon though so we'll see what the next place has to offer Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 02:28 - 31 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like all great ideas, you usually find that someone else got there first.

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Admittedly that ones american, and it's for buying cars rather than suggesting cars on insurance costs but it's a similar concept.

It does show that its not only a good idea, but a marketable successful idea.
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PostPosted: 02:32 - 01 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:


You'll learn to drive properly with a Triumph Spitfire, or even a Herald, in winter up north. Swing-beam rear axle and rear wheel drive, coupled with poor brakes, requires a bit of skill to use properly.
I was always a fan of Sovereigns and Sports, but they're very grandaddy and too much for my sad wage to cover.

I did however do a very basic skid pan experience over the festive period (nice gift it was) and learnt a few things, so this is interesting..
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PostPosted: 02:36 - 01 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
Like all great ideas, you usually find that someone else got there first.

click

Admittedly that ones american, and it's for buying cars rather than suggesting cars on insurance costs but it's a similar concept.

It does show that its not only a good idea, but a marketable successful idea.
I'm shocked Colin, you've never been 'useful' in a thread I've seen before. Laughing Thanks.

Indeed, not only is it an idea and needs lot's of work (which I did with theystolemywheels.co.uk) - I'd need to make sure it took off, that site was badly designed and flopped because ACPO said it didn't have sufficient demand. Is that, not enough vehicles are stolen/reported stolen?! Freaks.

Anyhew I think il look into ways this might be acheivable and see if it's something I want to immerse myself in before i bite off more than I can chew.
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PostPosted: 02:40 - 01 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
st3v3 wrote:

How is a shitty little Micra that much when a 2L diesel's barely £500 more and twice the power?


Perhaps the micra is your baseline, they've decided you're £800 of risk minimum.

Perhaps the micra is so shitty that you're more likely to hurt the occupants if you have an accident, so it's oddly high.

I quite like your idea, it'd need a lot of research though to see if all insurers weight cars the same way.
But, realistically, how can FC work out cheaper than TPFT when it's the same car/risk and would most probably be in the same situation crash wise in regards to passengers in respect of the cover I have? if anything cover that means my car is fixed/replaced should cost more than only paying for a third parties..?

And thanks. Smile
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PostPosted: 03:28 - 01 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because the sort that go for FC may be the sort that care a bit more about their vehicle, so the statistics show that actually they pay out less money to FC policy holders than TPFT, who crash in to other people?
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PostPosted: 03:49 - 01 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="st3v3"]I'm shocked Colin, you've never been 'useful' in a thread I've seen before. Laughing Thanks.
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well actually the last time i commented on a thread of your yours, i aso did a similar thing of pointing out that someone else had already brought to market your idea. In that case I think it was microwavable grain filled gloves.

i posted a link to some grain filled mittens which dont really work with motorbike gloves, but you could do a similar thing with motorbike gloves. Ive since found out that the microwave treatment works with grains such as rice, not just wheat.

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PostPosted: 05:32 - 01 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My idea was a bit different there, I wanted to design gloves that worked with heat, as in, were heated but for a labour intense environment.

Not warmed up, like 'hot hands', because once the source has cooled you're left with cold hands, and on a bike in winter that can be deadly.

This idea, however, is more credible.

Eg, just quoted for a FORD PROBE 16V 1991cc and with 0 NCB, and TPFT cover (tried all) I got a quote of £1675, with 4yrs NCB its £1237.

The probe is local and is £250~£300. I can get a car for <£300 but insurance is over £1.5K? WTF?? This is why a site that quote for 'me' rather than me in a number of cars I choose has advantages. I wouldn't really have to invest in it long term..
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PostPosted: 05:47 - 01 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As with all "plug the gap in the market" ideas, you will need a serious amount of time, money, advertising and custom development. Building a database with all the variables in there and making it work nicely on a site = paying someone/company a big chunk of cash.

Let's just pretend that you've some how managed to do that part, you're then competing with some of the most competative keywords in the UK for search engine traffic. I'm talking about companies who spend £10k - £20k per month on their SEO.

So you would need investors and you've got to be one cocky bastard to get investors like that on board.
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PostPosted: 06:27 - 01 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can sell/blag, I've worked in a G-Adwords team and know how competitive it can be, I'd approach it from a different angle.

Hardest part is cobbling it together. Keith showed me with the theft site how enormously hard, prolonged and draining it is, and he only discussed sampling code with me! Shocked Laughing

I worked here for about 4 years:
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So databases and selling etc etc are just up my street.

But I don't do 'concentration' Embarassed I'm a Gemini, we're not prgrammed apparently. Whistle
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 01 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZX Jay wrote:
I'm talking about companies who spend £10k - £20k per month on their SEO.



And the rest. One of my friends owns a very small ISO outfit and he spends 10k+ a month on google.
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