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PostPosted: 19:57 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: No Logbook. How can i find out Reg number and get a v5? Reply with quote
Hey people's

I have bought myself a track bike with no V5. . . Yeah i know, shouldnt realy do it!!

Any way, Im trying to find out the reg number so i can put it on a V62 form to get log book,

I have both VIN and Engine numbers

Have already checked VIN numbers against the database for stolen or written off bikes!

Anyhelp on this one please??

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PostPosted: 20:03 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Check the VIN with the DVLA, they should be able to re-issue for a fee. Wink
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
If it's a track bike it may never have been registered. Confused

If it has, unless you have something to prove it I still don't think you can register it again on the same number.

You will be able to re-register it however. If you can get proof of age (give the frame & engine numbers to the manufacturer) you can register it on an age-related plate, otherwise it will be a q-plate.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Big_Ham wrote:
Check the VIN with the DVLA, they should be able to re-issue for a fee. Wink


Nope, they won't. In theory they should be able to but actually their records are such a shambles that they just refuse every request rather than admit that they are not able to in some cases.
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I dont care if its Q-plated, Its only so i can stick a daytime on it for superstocks Very Happy

Is there anything i can do online? DVLA are useless
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_4022316

You need a form V55/5 from the DVLA.

You'll need to insure it on the VIN number and get it MOT'd to apply too.
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
yambabe wrote:
Big_Ham wrote:
Check the VIN with the DVLA, they should be able to re-issue for a fee. Wink


Nope, they won't. In theory they should be able to but actually their records are such a shambles that they just refuse every request rather than admit that they are not able to in some cases.


Fair, I missed the bit about it being a track bike, and assumed the V5 had been lost.

As said if it's a track bike it may never have even been registered.

I've bought a couple of track/race bikes with no V5 and provided it's on a blank frame/ the number's not been tampered with it's not usually a problem.
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I didnt think it would be a problem when i bought the bike because all numbers are intact, And i could just fill in a V62 form and get a replacment V5 in my name, But you need to fill in the reg number on the form. If you dont they will send it back because there sooo Anal! Just gunna have a look at your link in a sec!
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just had a read. . . Thats for registering it for the first time?!?! Mine has numbers so it has clearly been registered before otherwise it would be a blank frame and engine with no numbers. . .. RRghh

So far...

I know its not stolen!

I have VIN And engine numbers!

I dont have V5

I dont know Reg number!


I guess i will give dvla a call (If i can find a phone number) And see what they suggest,
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Blackrandomapple wrote:
Just had a read. . . Thats for registering it for the first time?!?! Mine has numbers so it has clearly been registered before otherwise it would be a blank frame and engine with no numbers. . .. RRghh



Wrong, just because it has a VIN doesn't mean it's been restigstered.

If it has a VIN, it could have been registered in anther country then exported and not re-registered since it was bought for use on track, or been declared a write off for whatever reason, and rebuilt purely for use on track.

Speak to the DVLA and see, but don't be surprised or concerned if it's never been registered in the UK.

For example, many USA spec 2006 onwards Yamaha R6's came the to the UK as race bikes when the dollar was weak, and they didn't have the added hassle of an EU spec immobiliser, thus making them much easier to convert to run without the need for a key. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im not too worried atm,

Its a 2003 cbr600rr in hannspree livery, The guy did say it may have been used purley as a track bike but he was unsure. He says he did what i did. Bought it with no v5 for track days, The only difference is i want to Race!

Wish me luck! will talk to dvla tomo!
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Blackrandomapple wrote:
Im not too worried atm,

Its a 2003 cbr600rr in hannspree livery, The guy did say it may have been used purley as a track bike but he was unsure. He says he did what i did. Bought it with no v5 for track days, The only difference is i want to Race!

Wish me luck! will talk to dvla tomo!


Why are you do hell bent on getting it road registered if you want to race it?

Provided the frame number hasn't been tampered with, it'll pass scrutineering.
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
os, I wanna race in the superstocks, For that it needs a daytime mot, And i cant get an mot without a logbook! I dont think anyway
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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os, I wanna race in the superstocks, For that it needs a daytime mot, And i cant get an mot without a logbook! I dont think anyway


What club?

Unless you're doing road stocks (IIRC) it doesn't need a daytime MOT at all.

Superstock 600 certainly doesn't.
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Blackrandomapple wrote:
os, I wanna race in the superstocks, For that it needs a daytime mot, And i cant get an mot without a logbook! I dont think anyway


What club?

Unless you're doing road stocks (IIRC) it doesn't need a daytime MOT at all.

Superstock 600 certainly doesn't.


Errr. . . Ok!

As you propb guessed im completely new to all this, All i have ever done is track days on the old R6,

Your help and advise will be appreciated

https://www.ngroadracing.org/pdf/2011_streetstocks_regs.pdf
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Blackrandomapple wrote:
Just had a read. . . Thats for registering it for the first time?!?!


Read it again, the link covers both first-time registration and re-registering. Its 2 different forms, V55/4 for first reg or V55/5 to re-register.
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Blackrandomapple wrote:
os, I wanna race in the superstocks, For that it needs a daytime mot, And i cant get an mot without a logbook! I dont think anyway


Yes you can, you can get an MOT on the VIN number, in fact t's the other way around, you can't register (or re-register) it without an MOT.......

Shouldn't be a problem to get an MOT on it, we've done several on unregistered bikes in the past (couple of imports and a q-plate that we wanted to put back on an age-related).
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
yambabe wrote:
Blackrandomapple wrote:
os, I wanna race in the superstocks, For that it needs a daytime mot, And i cant get an mot without a logbook! I dont think anyway


Yes you can, you can get an MOT on the VIN number, in fact t's the other way around, you can't register (or re-register) it without an MOT.......

Shouldn't be a problem to get an MOT on it, we've done several on unregistered bikes in the past (couple of imports and a q-plate that we wanted to put back on an age-related).


Ah i see Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Errr. . . Ok!

As you propb guessed im completely new to all this, All i have ever done is track days on the old R6,

Your help and advise will be appreciated

https://www.ngroadracing.org/pdf/2011_streetstocks_regs.pdf


Aha, I know the class you mean, and you're right (must be called street stocks now)

May be worth looking at their Superstock 600, or Supersport 600 class and seeing you can save yourself some money by entering those, since you won't need the bike to be road registered for either of those, and you don't need to worry about a numberplate, and side stand. Thumbs Up

Check the times and see if they're radically different, if not I'd be inclined to do with the Superstocks, or supersports purely because it'll be less hassle.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Big_Ham wrote:
Blackrandomapple wrote:


Errr. . . Ok!

As you propb guessed im completely new to all this, All i have ever done is track days on the old R6,

Your help and advise will be appreciated

https://www.ngroadracing.org/pdf/2011_streetstocks_regs.pdf


Aha, I know the class you mean, and you're right (must be called street stocks now)

May be worth looking at their Superstock 600, or Supersport 600 class and seeing you can save yourself some money by entering those, since you won't need the bike to be road registered for either of those, and you don't need to worry about a numberplate, and side stand. Thumbs Up

Check the times and see if they're radically different, if not I'd be inclined to do with the Superstocks, or supersports purely because it'll be less hassle.


https://www.ngroadracing.org/pdf/2012_class_info.pdf

These are the only classes they do, Im hoping to get some proper info when i do some more track days from people,
As there are alot of things i need to get sorted ie, Acu licence and membership

If you ask me its very complicated to get going!
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
One of my track bikes which is owned from new has frame and engine numbers - they're not really to do with the DVLA, but a serial number put on by the manufacturer, which the DVLA then makes use of.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Blackrandomapple wrote:

Aha, I know the class you mean, and you're right (must be called street stocks now)

May be worth looking at their Superstock 600, or Supersport 600 class and seeing you can save yourself some money by entering those, since you won't need the bike to be road registered for either of those, and you don't need to worry about a numberplate, and side stand. Thumbs Up

Check the times and see if they're radically different, if not I'd be inclined to do with the Superstocks, or supersports purely because it'll be less hassle.

https://www.ngroadracing.org/pdf/2012_class_info.pdf

These are the only classes they do, Im hoping to get some proper info when i do some more track days from people,
As there are alot of things i need to get sorted ie, Acu licence and membership

If you ask me its very complicated to get going!


I wrote a thread on ACU Licensing a few years back, should still be largely applicable. May well be worth you looking at the 600cc open class as well. Chuck some Dunlop slicks at it.

May we worth looking at other clubs that run a "proper" superstocks, or supersports class. You can also run in their new comer class although you'll be up against the thous as well. Check the times and see how they are compared to street stocks.

Also bear in mind that most superstocks/supersports classes specify "road legal" tyres, i.e. Supercorsas/Racetecs etc.

Depending on how much money you have it may well be worth picking up a minitwin for the NGRRC, and BMCRC championships, since they both run to the same rules.
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Big_Ham wrote:
Blackrandomapple wrote:

Aha, I know the class you mean, and you're right (must be called street stocks now)

May be worth looking at their Superstock 600, or Supersport 600 class and seeing you can save yourself some money by entering those, since you won't need the bike to be road registered for either of those, and you don't need to worry about a numberplate, and side stand. Thumbs Up

Check the times and see if they're radically different, if not I'd be inclined to do with the Superstocks, or supersports purely because it'll be less hassle.

https://www.ngroadracing.org/pdf/2012_class_info.pdf

These are the only classes they do, Im hoping to get some proper info when i do some more track days from people,
As there are alot of things i need to get sorted ie, Acu licence and membership

If you ask me its very complicated to get going!


I wrote a thread on ACU Licensing a few years back, should still be largely applicable. May well be worth you looking at the 600cc open class as well. Check some Dunlop slicks at it.

May we worth looking at other clubs that run a "proper" superstocks, or supersports class. You can also run in their new comer class although you'll be up against the thous as well. Check the times and see how they are compared to street stocks.

Also bear in mind that most superstocks/supersports classes specify "road legal" tyres, i.e. Supercorsas/Racetecs etc.

Depending on how much money you have it may well be worth picking up a minitwin for the NGRRC, and BMCRC championships, since they both run to the same rules.


TO BE CONTINUED......

must get to sleep, First day back at work tomo gotta be up at 5am Booo
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Blackrandomapple wrote:


TO BE CONTINUED......

must get to sleep, First day back at work tomo gotta be up at 5am Booo


BTW, may be worth checking with NGRRC, but last time I was at one of their meets there were a handful of bikes in both Streetstocks and 600cc open. Should just be case of unbolting the sidestand. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 03 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well im gunna talk to my uncle at some point because he as been racing ith them for a couple of years!! I aint got a side stand lol :-/

Spoke to DVLA today, They were a bit dribbly on the phone but say if i fill out a V62 without the Reg number and put a covering letter with it they will check and see if its been registered before and hopefully change it over to my name Very Happy 4-6 weeks the the time it takes!!!!!!!!!!!
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