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PostPosted: 21:36 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: OK so tell me about pinlock? Reply with quote

Seems to be the recommended anti-fog option by popular opinion.

Seems my new helmet is pinlock-ready.

But despite hearing the term often, I don't know what pinlock actually is. Embarassed Explain it to me?
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's an anti-fog insert for certain visors.

Works kind of like double glazing and thus magically keeps the fog away.

( I assume the actual insert has a treatment on it)
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once you go Pinlock you never go back. Just be careful cleaning them as they can scratch very easily.
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is something that you put on the inside of your visor, held in by the two pins either side of your visor. Its a special moisture absorbing plastic, so when your breath reaches it, it absorbs it and visibility is maintained. Though after a few minutes (if stationary or moving very slow) it starts to not work as its saturated.

https://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2348/visorwithclearpinlock.jpg
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A pinlock is a plastic sheild that sits on the inside of your visor.

They are fixed on using two pins at each end that arefixed off centre so a you turn them they adjust the tension of the shield.

They are very good as a way of preventing your visor from steaming up.
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

as above really I was recommended to get one for my helmet last year and its a massive improvement, no more steamy windows!!!!
also you can get tinted ones for the 2 days a year the sun comes out Cool
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.pinlock.nl/en/products-2/pinlock-original/

I can't remember if I had problems with my specs steaming up or not though. They probably did. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Things to note.
Wash hands before fitting and clean the inside of your visor as you're about to fit double glazing.

Once fitted have a close look at the silicone seal. Looking for any gaps. You may need to unclip one end of the insert and rotate one of the eccentric pins.
https://www.pinlock.nl/en/support-2/

They're overpriced but the best.
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just ordered one today and I wear glasses, we'll see how I get on. There's always a Foggy Mask as well.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just bought this and I'm wondering if it actually comes with a Pinlock insert or is it just ready to accept one? This is what the site says:

"Supplied with a ‘Pinlock-ready’ clear visor fitted & Pinlock anti-fog insert"


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PostPosted: 22:37 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best bit of kit Ive brought, but as Joe mentions be carefull cleaning it as it dose mark easy.
My pinlock failed after 2 years (fogged up) and for £20 it lasted well.
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PostPosted: 08:07 - 03 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

hahadumball wrote:

admitedly at traffic lights my visor would steam up but i tend to open my visor at traffic lights anyway.


If its freezing then I'd rather be able to keep my visor down. Pinlock is definately worthwhile.

I only notice the difference when I go back to my tinted non pinlocked visor.
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 03 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They do work okay, though I find they can sometimes be a poor fit to the visor which leads to scratching and inevitably defeats the object of them being there.

One thing not to do is ride in the wet with the pinlocked visor up, as droplets of water can end up beneath the pinlock insert.

To be honest I had bigger problems keeping my glasses clear of steam, having switched to contact lenses now the pinlock doesn't seem all that necessary to me now as occasionally wiping the visor alone isn't that great an issue for me and I find a small opening is more than enough to dispel any moisture accumulating.
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 03 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My experience is that they are about as good as anything else marketed for anti-misting. As in, ok for certain circumstances, rubbish in others.

In this case, riding in the dry on a reasonably clear A or B road you can safely keep your visor clamped up tight.

Stop and they steam up almost immediately unless you crack the visor. I don't care what the manufacturers say, there is one in my arai and that's what it does, even with all the vents open and has done since it was new.

Get powdery salt on it and it's fucked.. Immediately.

There is a real problem in heavy rain though. As has been said, going more slowly or stopped they WILL steam up. So you have to open your visor on account of not being able to see. Riding with your visor open in heavy rain gets water on the inside of the visor and it eventually gets between the visor and pinlock. Once it's in there, it stays there and wont come out and steams up the visor. You land up riding with the visor up or peering through the gap under the pinlock. Or ripping it out and throwing it in the verge
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 03 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone who can get their pinlock to steam up most probably has it misfitted or it is extremely cold outside.

The only times my pinlock has failed is when I have knocked it out of place or the pins have vibrated round breaking the seal. Other times it didn't work where when snow was freezing to the outside of the visor or the temperature was well below minus and I was stationary at lights.

I often never lift my visor up for a whole ride, even when sat in queues or have it 'cracked' open at all. This is great for when it is raining as you stay totally dry and steam free. Although I doubt your glasses would stay steam free, maybe try some bob heath stuff on them.
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 03 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've NEVER had my pinlock visor steam up, I just need a pinlock for my glasses aswell Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 03 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Stinkwheel said. On heavy rain/snowy days my pinlock gets condensation on it.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 03 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
Once you go Pinlock you never go back. Just be careful cleaning them as they can scratch very easily.


+1 - I've always been careful with my one, yet it's still managed to acquire several swirls and small scratches.
Definitely get one though, I wouldn't want to be without it this time of year.
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 03 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louise wrote:
Best bit of kit Ive brought, but as Joe mentions be carefull cleaning it as it dose mark easy.
My pinlock failed after 2 years (fogged up) and for £20 it lasted well.


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PostPosted: 13:38 - 03 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. It steams up when it is either raining very heavily or very cold.

So in the two situations where it would be most useful, it doesn't work.

I don't care if it works on warm, dry days. I don't use my visor on them anyway.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 03 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never had my pinlock steam up on me on my old Arai, even in heavy rain or in the snow.

My new Arai seems to a bit but I think that's down to the sharper curve in the visor and me not fitting the pinlock 100% correctly. I get a small amount of condensation at the curve. I'll refit it tonight I think.
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 03 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anyone has problems with their pinlock steaming up, have you tried adjusting the pins?

The pins (on Arai anyway) are eccentric cams, and by turning them you can adjust the tension on the insert. Any fogging issues with an Arai can usually be fixed by adjusting the pins.

On a side note, I have known people to come in complaining about how much the pinlock insert hinders viability, and is hard to see through...... they hadn't removed the protective film on the insert lmao.
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 03 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Yes. It steams up when it is either raining very heavily or very cold.

So in the two situations where it would be most useful, it doesn't work.

I don't care if it works on warm, dry days. I don't use my visor on them anyway.


There's something wrong with your pinlock then, mine steamed up once and that was because it was mis-aligned causing a break in the seal. Other than that I've never had a problem with it.
Sometimes I can see the area surrounding the Pinlock has gone pure white from steaming up, but the pinlock area is nice and clear.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 03 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Yes. It steams up when it is either raining very heavily or very cold.

So in the two situations where it would be most useful, it doesn't work.

As above - seems to be an issue with yours. Very impressed with the one that came with my RAID II - cold and wet on track (so breathing quite heavily) in an early-season Snetterton the outside was entirely opaque, but centre was perfectly clear.
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