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 hazza World Chat Champion
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 Posted: 20:46 - 03 Jan 2012 Post subject: Anyone know much about mountain bikes? |
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Hi,
Im new to MTB's, looking at a fun way to get fit without putting too much strain on my knee. I have been given a bike seen as im royally skint at the moment due to a house move (if it ever happens) which needs a few jobs doing to it. the main problem is the bearings seem to be shot in the crank as there is a lot of free play. The bike is of unknown make and hilst its not exactly competition spec, im hoping it will be okay for me to get my foot in the dorr so to speak. Im just wondering what measurements i would need to make in order to ensure correct fitment. It has shimano Derailleur's and shimano grip shift gears. the crank i have seen on ebay is a Shimano deore and comes with bottom braket.
Hi and thanks in advance
Harry.
P.s here it is awaiting strip down, try not to laugh too hard
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 Posted: 22:24 - 03 Jan 2012 Post subject: |
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my idea of a mountain bike is
https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/KTM%20520EXC.jpg
going down hill on a pedal bike is ok but f*** peddling up them
I'm nearly 48
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If it's a non branded bike the bearings will be bog standard race and ballroller type.
About a fiver each. You CAN do these yourself though.
They come in little kits with a tube of bearing grease included.
Halfords sell them.
Take the old ones down and they will help you get the right ones.
https://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchCmd?srch=bike+bearings&department=all&action=search&storeId=10001&catalogId=10151&langId=-1
I would do the bottom bracket (what the pedals turn)
The head stock (What the handle bars turn are connected to.)
and both wheels.
Maybe need a chain too if the one fitted is all chewed up.
But you can probably get away with it as it is.
If you are running on the road get the tires pumped up to a high pressure. Too many folk run mountain bike tyres at Off-Road pressures 20-25PSI
These tires will easily take twice that 50-55 PSI.
The difference in pressure make the bike feel tewn times easier to push along the road.
Stick a cheap cycle computer on too It help you compare how fit you get as you use it. Cycle computers are about a <£10.
Keep to the low speed gears and don't push too hard or you'll blow the ligaments in your knees.
If it gets too heavy you can honk up hills but in a granny gear it is very difficult.
Do not be afraid to get off and push. It looks cooler that having your legs spinning like mad but the bike is moving at 2.5MPH better to walk.
The rule to efficient cycling is: Never push so hard that you cannot whistle a tune as you go.
If you don't know any tunes then you cannot ride a bike. Sorry.
Learn to read the road and do not ride the gutter. Get your arse out in the traffic and make them move out to pass you. Hiding in the gutter means following traffic may not see you early and you get pushed over like a dummy.
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 Posted: 23:44 - 03 Jan 2012 Post subject: |
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Hope you don't mind me hijacking your thread but it seemed fairly pointless starting a new thread of my own for two questions. The info in here has been a help to me and all
Could somebody recommend me a lock and chain. I'm considering cycling back and forth uni (40 mile round trip) and I don't particularly want to leave the bike there unsecure. It has a quick release from wheel (that's the only way I can explain it) so I'd imagine the chain would have to be long enough to go through the wheel, frame and an immovable object.
And will any tyres do or are there such things as harder compound tyres? It's a Reebok hard tail that I bought when it was on sale Argos for £120 from £300 so I didn't really take much notice of the spec as I thought it was a bargain.
Cheers,
James
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| james1988 wrote: | Hope you don't mind me hijacking your thread but it seemed fairly pointless starting a new thread of my own for two questions. The info in here has been a help to me and all
Could somebody recommend me a lock and chain. I'm considering cycling back and forth uni (40 mile round trip) and I don't particularly want to leave the bike there unsecure. It has a quick release from wheel (that's the only way I can explain it) so I'd imagine the chain would have to be long enough to go through the wheel, frame and an immovable object.
And will any tyres do or are there such things as harder compound tyres? It's a Reebok hard tail that I bought when it was on sale Argos for £120 from £300 so I didn't really take much notice of the spec as I thought it was a bargain.
Cheers,
James
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ANy tyres are fine for a work Hack. Run the tread off them cold and wet winter roads take the tread off quickly.
Buy a chain and lock you can carry or leave a heavy one at work. Not around the pole you hitch it too as that gives any interest party time to work out a way to overcome the lock.
Tyres are not that cheap for good quality I use Continental on mine. And 60PSI.
Your arse will be raw for a couple of weeks unless you fit a ladies saddle.
There is hee-haw you can do about it until the ligaments in the Barse region harden up through use.
Try to keep your weight off the saddle. Think of the saddle as a guide more than a rest.
Learn to spin.
I have a computer that measure cadence (Rate of pedalling) too.
Work at about 60-70 RPM.
And don't push too hard or you will Kuck your Fnees up.
On the downhill sections keep you legs spinning a little to help pump blood out of the leg muscles.
And use the ball of your foot to pedal not the flat of you foot.
Pedalling is just making the front of your foot spin the pedal.
It should look graceful. (Not gay-full) ____________________ W-ireless A-rtificial L-ifeform L-imited to O-bservation P-eacekeeping and E-fficient R-epair |
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As has been said, if you have a bad knee, spin lots.
A sealed bottom bracket is an absolute piece of piss to fit yourself but you do need the correct tool. You also need the correct tools to get the old one out.
I wouldn't let halfords put air in my tyres. They'd probably argue with me that they don't need air, then they'd have to order it in and when I got it back they would be filled with water and on backwards.
Bike shops are fucking awfull. Go in, say you want a sealed bottom bracket fitting to your mountain bike. If they say anything other than "No problem, when can you bring it in.". Walk away.
Other possible responses incluse a blank look, sucking through their teeth and saying it'll be expensive, claiming they have no time to do it before next month, saying they can't supply it unless you tell them what size it is, claiming there is no such thing or going out, having a wobble at it and telling you you need a new bike.
A bog-basic, entry level shimano sealed BB unit costs between £10 and £20. A good one costs in the region of £50. You can easily pay three times this. It is a half hour job absolute tops to fit one. That would be with me doing it leaning against the garage wall and would include taking out and putting away my tools.
EDIT: Also with a bad knee, it's a good idea not to coast. If you're going downhill, keep pedalling slowly even if you aren't actually pushing on the pedals. Keeps your muscles warmed up and your joints moving. Coasting is bad for you. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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| JonB wrote: | In the nicest possible way, don't bother putting any money into that. You'd be better off buying a cheap hardtail. |
This.
I seriously wouldn't bother upgrading the shock on that bike. Rear shocks come in a million different sizes and there are hundreds of different designs of suspension frames so if you buy a new shock now and upgrade the frame at a later date it probably won't be compatible anyway.
You seem intent on putting a new BB on it which is fair enough if the old one is broken but if you end up putting a new crankset on it you'll have other problems. A new crankset will have new chainrings which will be mated with an old chain and cassette (unless you replace those too, £££'s) which means the new chainrings will wear quickly and gear shifting will be a pig to sort out.
I'd wager that the BB on that bike is a square taper design and as Stinkwheel says they're really cheap these days so definitley don't pay any more than he mentioned. A crap bike shop may try and con you into a bigger labour charge by insisting on reaming the BB shell, pretending it does take longer than 30 minutes to change or doing some fault checking/safety thing, especially if they can see you dont know much about bikes (no offence). Again, Stinkwheels advice is golden, insist they contact you before they do anything other than what you've asked for, no different to a bike/car garage and try and avoid the Halfords type places.
In my opinion (which is a bit biased as I've been riding mountain bikes all my life) I'd say your best bet is to spend as little as possible on this bike and just try and save for a more suitable bike for the future, especially as you say you want to get into some light trail stuff as well. Alternatively if you want to upgrade over time I'd start with a good hardtail frame (which can be bought for as little as £30/40 second hand if you know what to look for and where to find it) and transfer all the bits over to that. If you're mainly riding road stuff with a bit of trail riding you don't need rear suspension and a hardtail will be lighter and more efficient on the road. ____________________ Now: '00 Kawasaki ZRX1100R - Past: '84 Yamaha DT125, '89 Kawasaki KLR600, '97 Yamaha XJ600N
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| Walloper wrote: | | JonB wrote: | In the nicest possible way, don't bother putting any money into that. You'd be better off buying a cheap hardtail. |
Cheap Hardtail Circa £120 (2nd hand)
Box of odds and ends to suit existing (Got Free) machine. £60 (New)
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He got it for free. It is a shocker of a bike to start spending money on as it looks on par with a special offer in Tesco.
He might as well use it as it is to keep fit as upgrading the suspension will not give any tangible benefits as it is not even being used correctly. Let's be honest that bike must have cost less than £250 in the first place.
If the BB is buggered, then yeah maybe replace it, but to bother spending more on it? You're avin' a laff!
IF. IF. IF. I had to upgrade that, I would possibly invest in 2 Schwalbe City Jets for £10 a pop to make cycling on hard surfaces much more enjoyable and efficient. But still, that sponge of a rear shock will still be sucking 50% of rider wattage doing absolutely nothing but slowing him down anyway. ____________________ Be careful whose advice you buy, but, be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it?s worth. |
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Some good advice in here so far, I too have just bought a bike as I am determined to lose some weight and get fitter this year.
I am selling my mountain bike as i have bought a hybrid road type bike instead as I cannot do any off road work due to my knee being buggered too (there is a theme here ) i thought a road based bike would be easier going and a bit faster.
any views on this
https://www.hawkcycles.co.uk/VIKING-URBAN-TRAIL-24-SPEED-3-3-product-39.html its what I bought and it seems a good bike for the money so far and much easier to pedal than the mountain bike its replacing.
just need the wind to drop down and I may even attempt to go to work on it as its only 4 miles away.
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Mountain bikes have tons of gear ratios and take more abuse than a road bike will.
Or that is what the core idea of a 'mountain bike' is.
You can sit up easier on a mountain bike too.
Get rat traps or locking pedals and the shoes to match.
This will massively increase your spin. Using muscles to pull the pedals up as well as pushing them down.
Read some book on cycling too for reference.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 14 years, 297 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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