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LockyUK
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Another question Reply with quote

Get my cbf 125 on Wednesday Very Happy insurance purchased (1k) I noticed Honda now quote 160 mpg :o in wmtc mode what is that???

Previously the cbf 125 was quoted at 134 mpg and people were actually seeing 125 mpg so how accurate is the new figure I wonder?? Will premium fuels eg bp ultimate shell v power make a difference to consumption and/or performance???

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PostPosted: 16:39 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found that Honda were a little... 'Ambitious' with their MPG estimate. A full tank will probably last me 250 - 300 miles, depending on how I drive, but its not bad fuel economy at all. Smile

Just for the record, I use ASDA petrol, probably not the best to use but it does the job. I have used BP Ultimate for a few fill-ups and haven't noticed any difference, its supposedly cleaner for your engine. Smile
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
I found that Honda were a little... 'Ambitious' with their MPG estimate. A full tank will probably last me 250 - 300 miles, depending on how I drive, but its not bad fuel economy at all. Smile


You have the model with the rev counter too???? How do you find this bike like in regards to acceleration?
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
I found that Honda were a little... 'Ambitious' with their MPG estimate. A full tank will probably last me 250 - 300 miles, depending on how I drive, but its not bad fuel economy at all. Smile


You have the model with the rev counter too???? How do you find this bike like in regards to acceleration?


I do indeed - here is my baby -

https://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i341/JoeDougieDouglas/IMG_0130.jpg

Yeah the acceleration is good, i've been able to beat any car off of the line at a set of traffic lights, which means you can filter to the front of traffic and get away safely. I tend to get out of first gear as quick as possible, usually take it up to around 6,000 revs and then change from 1st to second. Smile
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your opinion is the bike worth the 2.5k?? My only concern is that it sounds like a geared scooter haha, thanks for your replies btw I probably should of gone for a test ride haha
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twin shocks, bloody hell, I didn't realise they made bikes with twin shocks anymore Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeteLockwood wrote:
Your opinion is the bike worth the 2.5k?? My only concern is that it sounds like a geared scooter haha, thanks for your replies btw I probably should of gone for a test ride haha


I don't know - i didn't pay that much for it thanks to people I know, but I can tell you that its a lot better in the performance region than a geared scooter, and when you break the engine in properly, it has a nice 4-stroke rumble. Smile sure, its not the nicest sounding bike, but it sure isn't bad. I think you'll like it when you get on it, I like mine.
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh and joe, have you by any chance fitted a DIY alarm (datatool demon cyclone v2 etc) ?
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeteLockwood wrote:
oh and joe, have you by any chance fitted a DIY alarm (datatool demon cyclone v2 etc) ?


I've been meaning to, I've heard good things about the Cyclone v2 alarm so i'll probably be getting one of those. Smile speak to neil (thats his username on here), he has a CBF125 which is alarmed and that, I think his is a 2009 though.
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
PeteLockwood wrote:
oh and joe, have you by any chance fitted a DIY alarm (datatool demon cyclone v2 etc) ?


I've been meaning to, I've heard good things about the Cyclone v2 alarm so i'll probably be getting one of those. Smile speak to neil (thats his username on here), he has a CBF125 which is alarmed and that, I think his is a 2009 though.


i bought one of the cyclones got it here waiting for my bike, just a bit unsure now as to whether i should install it myself or not haha, i think that is it for the questions now, il take some piccys when i get it Very Happy thanks joe
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats alright. I hear they're fairly easy to install, might be worth installing it youself so you have a basic idea of motorcycle electronics? Thats what I will be doing. Smile
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
Thats alright. I hear they're fairly easy to install, might be worth installing it youself so you have a basic idea of motorcycle electronics? Thats what I will be doing. Smile


to be honest looks easier than i thought, il give it a go failing that il have to improvise! thanks
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeteLockwood wrote:
JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
Thats alright. I hear they're fairly easy to install, might be worth installing it youself so you have a basic idea of motorcycle electronics? Thats what I will be doing. Smile


to be honest looks easier than i thought, il give it a go failing that il have to improvise! thanks


If you do fuck it up, electrical tape is your friend Wink Laughing Let us know how it goes yeah? and did you get the one with the blue flashing light too? Very Happy

EDIT - Oh and this is the video of Neil's Cyclone alarm on his CBF, just thought you may be interested Smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLTkwo1vR-U&context=C337989fADOEgsToPDskKp24R-uQZaSm2QXUlRVkEj
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't bother with premium fuel.

Cyclone v2 is fine, have 2 of them myself Smile
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers paddy cyclone was a good choice then.

Joe do you use the standard headlight bulb is it good enough I read it's quite poor??
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeteLockwood wrote:
Cheers paddy cyclone was a good choice then.

Joe do you use the standard headlight bulb is it good enough I read it's quite poor??


I do indeed have the standard bulb in at the moment, but I would recommend an upgrade, its like riding by candle light. Halfords do the Xenon bulbs for £20 each (2 for the bike needed) and they're brilliant... either that or you can get a HID kit which *I think* provides more power for the headlight, ultimately making it brighter without the need for a xenon bulb. (probably wrong, someone care to correct me?)

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PostPosted: 20:09 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
PeteLockwood wrote:
Cheers paddy cyclone was a good choice then.

Joe do you use the standard headlight bulb is it good enough I read it's quite poor??


I do indeed have the standard bulb in at the moment, but I would recommend an upgrade, its like riding by candle light. Halfords do the Xenon bulbs for £20 each (2 for the bike needed) and they're brilliant... either that or you can get a HID kit which *I think* provides more power for the headlight, ultimately making it brighter without the need for a xenon bulb. (probably wrong, someone care to correct me?)

Thumbs UpSmile


I was under the impression a HID is required because of AC to the headlight???
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah most likely, as I said, I'm probably not right on that one Laughing I think you can just put a xenon bulb in though, you should be able to. Smile Another forum member feel free to jump in. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeteLockwood wrote:
I was under the impression a HID is required because of AC to the headlight???


I believe that HID kits are (or will be) illegal. Also, it's a bit overkill. The standard lights are adequate for the task.
Also, I've fitted two cyclone alarms now, and they're pretty easy to install.
There's a user on here called neil. who has one of these, and racks up noteworthy mileage on his, so he might also be a good source of information.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just for the record, I use ASDA petrol, probably not the best to use but it does the job. I have used BP Ultimate for a few fill-ups and haven't noticed any difference, its supposedly cleaner for your engine. Smile



I have never ever ever noticed one petrol station's fuel was different from any others the length and breath of this great Kingdom.

Buy petrol from the cheapest.

As for their special brews A load of pish. I have used it and I noticed hee-haw difference except it is 5% more expensive so no saving.

Never ever ever ever had to clean out a fuel system either.

If you are storing fuel or decanting from one container to another you may introduce undesirable contaminants.

But I would like to see what is in the fuel filter of my car after 60,000 miles..... Probably not much.
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel my ears burning.... Very Happy

Okay... fuel - take a look at my stats, regarding fuel economy for the CBF: https://www.fuelly.com/driver/cbf125rider/cbf125

I haven't noticed any difference in economy using higher octane petrol or supermarket stuff, BUT I found the bike easier to start on 95 octane fuels, whilst taking a couple of attempts with Shell V-Power. Performance - I couldn't notice any difference, I get about 65mph tops, on the GPS, which is about 70 on the speedometer. It's worth noting that they over-read by about 10%. I've mostly been using Tesco unleaded lately.

I also have the 2011 CBF, owned since new Wink. I'm blogging my experiences as well - https://cbf125rider.wordpress.com/ - and some how-to's for the more techy service tasks, like doing the valve clearances and engine oil strainer. I am doing all the servicing myself, apart from the first 600 mile service, which was done by the dealer. I've now done 3 services, and have clocked up 8'100 miles. The workshop manual has now been leaked on-line, and servicing these bikes is quite straightforward, as long as you know your spanners from your screwdrivers.

I personally find the headlamp to be pretty decent, but I previously rode a YBR125 which had an awful headlamp and krypton bulb. The beam coverage on the CBF is much wider and the reflector is a much better design, more modern and hi-tech (multi-reflector). The bulb is also a halogen 35/35W. I haven't felt any need to upgrade. The running lights (headlamp, aux lamp, tail light, dash backlights and full beam tell-tale) are all powered directly from the alternator, and are AC as a result. This means converting to HID is a little difficult as you'll need to re-wire that circuit for DC. Not impossible and people have done it successfully. I also know of someone who put a 55W halogen bulb in and they say it's an improvement. I personally wouldn't want to put extra demands on the alternator, extra current load on the lighting circuit, nor extra heat in the headlamp shell itself.

The Cyclone V2 is also excellent on this bike - you can use all the features and it's not too difficult to wire in, just a bit fiddly getting to the wires on the bike's loom in order to splice the alarm's ones into it. Don't use the blue snap connectors, but solder things in place properly and use heat-shrink and electrical tape to make things good afterwards. Do it properly and it should be reliable. I haven't had any issues with it, probably done over 3'000 miles with it now, some in pissing rain (remember yesterday?). It's been fantastic, and many of the good folks of BCF also swear by them.

Is it worth £2'500? I don't think so, to be honest, but then again, my commute is costing just over half of what it would if I was using the train, which includes all the running costs (tax, insurance, petrol, servicing) and finance on the bike too.

A couple of years ago you could get a new one for £2'000 or thereabouts. My 2005 YBR was £1'500 and lasted well. There are aspects of the CBF that suggest cost cutting, such as the chain developing surface rust quickly, much more quickly than DID chains I've had on my old bike. Also, when I checked the engine oil strainer at 7'500 miles, it had quite a bit of fluffy material in it - I've been reliably informed that it's likely to be clutch friction material and shouldn't have been there at all, in that quantity. Here's what it looked like:

https://125ccbikeclub.awardspace.co.uk/images/CBF125_Oil_Strainer.jpg

As for the centrifugal filter, I couldn't open it because the screws were too tight and actually broke my impact driver bit when I tried, leaving a small piece wedged in the screw head! It's still there now as I couldn't remove it, so it was hammered in, peening the edges of the screw head over it, with a blob of Loctite on top for good measure.


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PostPosted: 23:28 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

neil. wrote:
I feel my ears burning.... Very Happy

Okay... fuel - take a look at my stats, regarding fuel economy for the CBF: https://www.fuelly.com/driver/cbf125rider/cbf125

I haven't noticed any difference in economy using higher octane petrol or supermarket stuff, BUT I found the bike easier to start on 95 octane fuels, whilst taking a couple of attempts with Shell V-Power. Performance - I couldn't notice any difference, I get about 65mph tops, on the GPS, which is about 70 on the speedometer. It's worth noting that they over-read by about 10%. I've mostly been using Tesco unleaded lately.

I also have the 2011 CBF, owned since new Wink. I'm blogging my experiences as well - https://cbf125rider.wordpress.com/ - and some how-to's for the more techy service tasks, like doing the valve clearances and engine oil strainer. I am doing all the servicing myself, apart from the first 600 mile service, which was done by the dealer. I've now done 3 services, and have clocked up 8'100 miles. The workshop manual has now been leaked on-line, and servicing these bikes is quite straightforward, as long as you know your spanners from your screwdrivers.

I personally find the headlamp to be pretty decent, but I previously rode a YBR125 which had an awful headlamp and krypton bulb. The beam coverage on the CBF is much wider and the reflector is a much better design, more modern and hi-tech (multi-reflector). The bulb is also a halogen 35/35W. I haven't felt any need to upgrade. The running lights (headlamp, aux lamp, tail light, dash backlights and full beam tell-tale) are all powered directly from the alternator, and are AC as a result. This means converting to HID is a little difficult as you'll need to re-wire that circuit for DC. Not impossible and people have done it successfully. I also know of someone who put a 55W halogen bulb in and they say it's an improvement. I personally wouldn't want to put extra demands on the alternator, extra current load on the lighting circuit, nor extra heat in the headlamp shell itself.

The Cyclone V2 is also excellent on this bike - you can use all the features and it's not too difficult to wire in, just a bit fiddly getting to the wires on the bike's loom in order to splice the alarm's ones into it. Don't use the blue snap connectors, but solder things in place properly and use heat-shrink and electrical tape to make things good afterwards. Do it properly and it should be reliable. I haven't had any issues with it, probably done over 3'000 miles with it now, some in pissing rain (remember yesterday?). It's been fantastic, and many of the good folks of BCF also swear by them.

Is it worth £2'500? I don't think so, to be honest, but then again, my commute is costing just over half of what it would if I was using the train, which includes all the running costs (tax, insurance, petrol, servicing) and finance on the bike too.

A couple of years ago you could get a new one for £2'000 or thereabouts. My 2005 YBR was £1'500 and lasted well. There are aspects of the CBF that suggest cost cutting, such as the chain developing surface rust quickly, much more quickly than DID chains I've had on my old bike. Also, when I checked the engine oil strainer at 7'500 miles, it had quite a bit of fluffy material in it - I've been reliably informed that it's likely to be clutch friction material and shouldn't have been there at all, in that quantity. Here's what it looked like:

https://125ccbikeclub.awardspace.co.uk/images/CBF125_Oil_Strainer.jpg

As for the centrifugal filter, I couldn't open it because the screws were too tight and actually broke my impact driver bit when I tried, leaving a small piece wedged in the screw head! It's still there now as I couldn't remove it, so it was hammered in, peening the edges of the screw head over it, with a blob of Loctite on top for good measure.


I can't solder and I was under the impression that no wires had to be cut? I think I'm gonna use the dealer for servicing I have 0 experience what so ever, I did come accross your blog through google I was the guy who wanted to know about that iPhone dock wired to the battery
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 04 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are close enough I'll happily service it for you if you provide the parts.
I'll even fit your alarm Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i live in oldham paddy, cheers

only a few more days til i get my biiiikeeee
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