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Cheeseybeaner
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: AVG Secure Search hides BCF! Reply with quote
How frustrating is it? Firefox appear to have decided to now incorporate AVG 'secure search' in their new editions, completely buggering up your normal search results and interfering with your own antivirus software!

God knows why they've decided to force what should simply be an optional add-on to people but its buggered up the experience of the browser for me.
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
hahadumball wrote:
stuff avg, no bragging i do a fair ammount of black hat hacking, avg is easy to bypass with crypters, download malwarebytes anti malware and run a quick scan i guarentee you will find atleast 10 infections.

also get rid of ff use chrome Smile


I assume by 'crypters' you mean encryption. Encryption would prevent any virus software (including mwb) from finding a dormant virus. Do you really think mwb can crack AES 256 or similar as part of a simple scan?

mwb does do a fairly decent job (especially at removal) but you do realise it brings up a bucket load of false positives as a marketing tool?

avg & avast also do a decent job. I no longer use avg as it has become bloated but the virus protection itself is not bad.

And as a comparison - try running a avg / avast scan on a machine that has had mwb as it's primary source of protection for a year or so (and has a 'normal user') and I bet you find infections. None of them are 100%

Best virus protection there is - don't click on random stuff and keep your system up to date!
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Would tend to agree with Daemonoid more on this. Nothing is very secure, user intelligence and training is a good way, teaching people not to go to stupid sites or do stupid things does help.

I run virus scanning on my network itself, and on the client machines. Then anything that I consider to be slightly 'dodgy' I'll do in VMs rather than on a physical host, that way I at least have some way of containing it.

Security sucks now, but if you want something to be secure it's quite simple, uncable it, power it off and put it back in the box. If it's on the internet and it's requesting information or sending information then it's a target.

Draw a circle, put your valued information in the middle and keep getting to less valuable stuff as you get towards the outside of the circle, then build appropriate defenses and segregation for the targets, simples.

I.e. browsing dodgy porn, gaming/gambling or flash game sites from a PC that holds valuable personal information is a no no.
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
hahadumball wrote:
stuff avg, no bragging i do a fair ammount of black hat hacking, avg is easy to bypass with crypters, download malwarebytes anti malware and run a quick scan i guarentee you will find atleast 10 infections.

also get rid of ff use chrome Smile


I was considering Google Chrome but I have about a million bookmarks etc on Firefox, is this all easily transferrable? Probably a stupid question but I have used and like Firefox for the last 7 years or so as an alternative to Explorer and its what I'm used to.
Its just gotten fucked up since they decided to bundle in AVG which I've used in the past optionally and removed because it was a complete pain in the arse, slow and constantly sucking up your bandwith with updates.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
hahadumball wrote:
stuff avg, no bragging i do a fair ammount of black hat hacking, avg is easy to bypass with crypters, download malwarebytes anti malware and run a quick scan i guarentee you will find atleast 10 infections.

also get rid of ff use chrome Smile


I was considering Google Chrome but I have about a million bookmarks etc on Firefox, is this all easily transferrable? Probably a stupid question but I have used and like Firefox for the last 7 years or so as an alternative to Explorer and its what I'm used to.
Its just gotten fucked up since they decided to bundle in AVG which I've used in the past optionally and removed because it was a complete pain in the arse, slow and constantly sucking up your bandwith with updates.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Out of interest - because I use FF a lot, I just done an update from https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html (choosing the english version), went for a custom install, I didn't get offered AVG and I dont appear to have it either.

It's not part of a toolbar or something else that's winged it on is it?
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Infact, just went to 10.0b2.exe and that doesn't have it either.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
hahadumball wrote:
stuff avg, no bragging i do a fair ammount of black hat hacking, avg is easy to bypass with crypters, download malwarebytes anti malware and run a quick scan i guarentee you will find atleast 10 infections.

also get rid of ff use chrome Smile


Laughing at this.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
hahadumball wrote:
stuff avg, no bragging i do a fair ammount of black hat hacking, avg is easy to bypass with crypters, download malwarebytes anti malware and run a quick scan i guarentee you will find atleast 10 infections.

also get rid of ff use chrome Smile


I agree, AVG is useless against most kinds of malware. Malwarebytes is the best scanner, but i think the real time scanner is paid.

I think firefox is better than chrome tho Wink
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
robbieguy2003 wrote:
Infact, just went to 10.0b2.exe and that doesn't have it either.


Are you sure? Doesn't appear on the homepage but shows when you get search results on the left. I just upgraded to a Beta version and its here too. Doesn't appear anywhere in add-ons so how the hell you get rid I don't know...
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: AVG Secure Search hides BCF! Reply with quote
Cheeseybeaner wrote:
How frustrating is it? Firefox appear to have decided to now incorporate AVG 'secure search' in their new editions, completely buggering up your normal search results and interfering with your own antivirus software!

God knows why they've decided to force what should simply be an optional add-on to people but its buggered up the experience of the browser for me.


Sounds like you've been punked by a wild toolbar and clicked or failed to unclick on something.

There is no such thing on my up to date versions of firefox.

Have a look under your firefox add-ons. Failing that check in add remove programmes.

EDIT: Screenshot of my browser window with google search for BCF on it. Could it be a setting in AVG itself?
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: AVG Secure Search hides BCF! Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
Cheeseybeaner wrote:
How frustrating is it? Firefox appear to have decided to now incorporate AVG 'secure search' in their new editions, completely buggering up your normal search results and interfering with your own antivirus software!

God knows why they've decided to force what should simply be an optional add-on to people but its buggered up the experience of the browser for me.


Sounds like you've been punked by a wild toolbar and clicked or failed to unclick on something.

There is no such thing on my up to date versions of firefox.

Have a look under your firefox add-ons. Failing that check in add remove programmes.

EDIT: Screenshot of my browser window with google search for BCF on it. Could it be a setting in AVG itself?


Its not in add/remove programs or add-ons.

Well I've set the home page to Google rather than the default Mozilla page, doesn't seem to be interfering with results now and loading pages quicker...

Anyway it seems others on the 'net were having the same issue on downloading newer versions so I'm not alone though I don't know why yours is seemingly ok. Do you get the same results if you use default firefox home page?
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: AVG Secure Search hides BCF! Reply with quote
Cheeseybeaner wrote:

Anyway it seems others on the 'net were having the same issue on downloading newer versions so I'm not alone though I don't know why yours is seemingly ok. Do you get the same results if you use default firefox home page?

No worries with that either.
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
hahadumball wrote:
stuff avg, no bragging i do a fair amount of black hat hacking, avg is easy to bypass with crypters, download malwarebytes anti malware and run a quick scan i guarantee you will find at least 10 infections.

also get rid of ff use chrome Smile


Posted earlier
hahadumball wrote:
Just posted in another thread thought i would help bcf a little with there computer Smile

Some of you know about the blackhat work i do so ill do some whitehat and help you lot.

All anti virus software can be bypassed with a crypter therefore making a virus immune to it no matter how good your antivuris is.

I advise you to download and run malwarebytes anti malware and do a quick scan i can guarantee you will find at least 10 infections this is one of the only anti virus that will detect crypted viruses such as "rats" (remote administration tool)

Ill await flame and shit from members even though im helping.

i wont give a link just google malwarebytes anti malware.



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Do you have some affiliation with them? Smells like spam to me?
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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All anti virus software can be bypassed with a crypter therefore making a virus immune to it no matter how good your antivuris is.


Just out of interest, this 'crypter' stuff you speak of. I'm assuming what your talking about is transferring a virus over either http or https, or something else with a payload that is encoded or encrypted so it's not spotted during transit. So now you're sat with your virus in it's 'crypter', which is now useless, as it's garble until you de-crypt it. Are you now telling me, when you now 'decrypt' the file to extract the virus - i.e. you're back to a normal virus so you can 'execute/run' it, that a normal virus program wont pick up the virus you're about to run because you transported it in an encrypted file?

Or am I missing something and windows and other OS systems will magically run encrypted files without decrypting them first (so they can actually read the code) and then the virus scanner having a look at it - as they do with pretty much all files, before being ran.
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
robbieguy2003 wrote:
Or am I missing something and windows and other OS systems will magically run encrypted files without decrypting them first (so they can actually read the code) and then the virus scanner having a look at it - as they do with pretty much all files, before being ran.


It's a way of confusing heuristic scans - you write a simple encrypt / decrypt and keep all the fun stuff in an encrypted form. You essentially keep all the acceptable code as normal and then encrypt anything a bit dodgy/virusy.
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