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PostPosted: 20:54 - 22 Dec 2011    Post subject: Motorcycles in bus lanes Reply with quote

https://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/redroutes/10151.aspx

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PostPosted: 22:48 - 22 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info, not being a Londoner I wouldn't have known otherwise.
Might be handy the next time I visit London.


Wonder if they'll allow motorbikes in bus lanes on Bournemouth and Poole area someday, would be handy in the summer when all the tourists come to visit waiting-for-god-land.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 26 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both me and the g/f use bus/taxi/bike lanes when ever they turn up! Problem is the amount of time you nearly get sideswiped by myopic drives you pull in suddenly to pop to a shop!

I find most bus lanes tend to be used as car parking spaces for those with Disabled badges, foriegn plates or just don't care!
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 26 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not all bus lanes, only the red routes. Which is a shame because Regent street would be a darn sight quicker if so.
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

marcusweaver03 wrote:
I would think motor cyclists are like ordinary cyclists on the way home. If there's a chance you go as quick as you can when an opening occurs. The difference of course is that when you open the throttle on a motorbike you get to 60mph in about 5 seconds so they're bound to speed. So yes motor bikes using bus lanes is dangerous and prone to speeding.

Your logic is.... intriguing. Shocked
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

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Your logic is.... Moronic. Shocked



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PostPosted: 16:18 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

marcusweaver03 wrote:
yes motor bikes using any lanes is dangerous and prone to speeding.


FTFY.

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PostPosted: 18:15 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

marcusweaver03 wrote:
I would think motor cyclists are like ordinary cyclists on the way home.


Yep I often ride straight through red lights, across pedestrian-filled zebra crossings, swing out around stationary vehicles without looking and bump up the pavement dash through no entry signs and cut across pedestrian zones on my everyday motorcycling journey.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
marcusweaver03 wrote:
I would think motor cyclists are like ordinary cyclists on the way home.


Yep I often ride straight through red lights, across pedestrian-filled zebra crossings, swing out around stationary vehicles without looking and bump up the pavement dash through no entry signs and cut across pedestrian zones on my everyday motorcycling journey.


Just to clarify, do you do that without training, a license, insurance or any way of identifying you or your vehicle? Just so we're clear.
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 17 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.carolenash.com/insidebikes/bike-news/iam-warns-bikers-on-bus-lane-risk.htm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Another warning about potential problems in bus lanes.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 17 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

reddeviljp wrote:
https://www.carolenash.com/insidebikes/bike-news/iam-warns-bikers-on-bus-lane-risk.htm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Another warning about potential problems in bus lanes.


Which can be neatly avoided by not using them, surely? Nobody's being forced into them. Neutral
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 18 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

reddeviljp wrote:
https://www.carolenash.com/insidebikes/bike-news/iam-warns-bikers-on-bus-lane-risk.htm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Another warning about potential problems in bus lanes.


www.carolenash.com wrote:
The claim comes following studies by Ealing Council and TfL which showed a significant increase in motorcycle collision rates and severity. TfL’s review also found that there was an increase in pedal cycle accidents of 173 per cent


The Transport Research laboratory 173% increase they quote actually equates to 14 more collisions. Astonishingly few when you consider the atrocious riding standards of many London cyclists.
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 18 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Just to clarify, do you do that without training, a license, insurance or any way of identifying you or your vehicle? Just so we're clear.


Sooner or later the powers that be are going to have to bite the bullet and accept that the increasing number of cyclists are creating a significant risk to themselves and other road users and start applying to cyclists the same rules & regulations the rest of us have to abide by.
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 18 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

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Sooner or later the powers that be are going to have to bite the bullet and accept that the increasing number of cyclists are creating a significant risk to themselves and other road users and start applying to cyclists the same rules & regulations the rest of us have to abide by.


Having now spent some time in the Dutch system I don't see the need to regulate cyclists. The Netherlands (and to some extent Belgium) is the model that everywhere should follow.

It boils down to the softer and squishier you are the more protection you have in law. Cyclists pretty much have free reign - the Dutch tell me that if I drive into a cyclist who's heading the wrong way down a one way street with no lights at night then it's my fault (it's a bit of a overstatement but you get the point). Kind of the same attitude Brits have to pedestrians.

The Dutch drivers just learn to look out for them. On the flip side there are lots of bike lanes and even more separated bike lanes, but this is possible in the UK too - the Dutch have the same problems with old streets, traffic saturation etc that the Brits do, but they've managed to fit the bike lanes in somewhere.

On the plus side mopeds are allowed in cycle lanes.

The main reason I believe cyclists shouldn't be regulated is that a bike is the ultimate form of transport equality - anyone can get one, they can be operated without relying on fuel companies and they're simple enough that everyone can fix them. India, China and Much of Europe developed because of them and still rely on them.

That and I just think less regulation is better than more!

More cyclists would soon make motorcycling safer too as cagers would learn to look at junctions!
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 18 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure the increase n bicycle accidents has got nothing whatsoever to do with TFL plastering the city roads with bright blue cycling superhighways in an effort to encourage many more people to use their bikes.

Talk about a skewed statistic...
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 18 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only cycling regulation that we should need is common sense. Shame it's not that common.
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there should be special lanes for motorbikes. I would even allow cyclists in them but I would not let buses in them.
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheBikerStig wrote:
I think there should be special lanes for motorbikes.
These already exist. It's the bit between car wing mirrors.
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 22 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
Andy_Pagin wrote:
Sooner or later the powers that be are going to have to bite the bullet and accept that the increasing number of cyclists are creating a significant risk to themselves and other road users and start applying to cyclists the same rules & regulations the rest of us have to abide by.


Having now spent some time in the Dutch system I don't see the need to regulate cyclists. The Netherlands (and to some extent Belgium) is the model that everywhere should follow.

It boils down to the softer and squishier you are the more protection you have in law. Cyclists pretty much have free reign - the Dutch tell me that if I drive into a cyclist who's heading the wrong way down a one way street with no lights at night then it's my fault (it's a bit of a overstatement but you get the point). Kind of the same attitude Brits have to pedestrians.

The Dutch drivers just learn to look out for them. On the flip side there are lots of bike lanes and even more separated bike lanes, but this is possible in the UK too - the Dutch have the same problems with old streets, traffic saturation etc that the Brits do, but they've managed to fit the bike lanes in somewhere.

On the plus side mopeds are allowed in cycle lanes.

The main reason I believe cyclists shouldn't be regulated is that a bike is the ultimate form of transport equality - anyone can get one, they can be operated without relying on fuel companies and they're simple enough that everyone can fix them. India, China and Much of Europe developed because of them and still rely on them.

That and I just think less regulation is better than more!

More cyclists would soon make motorcycling safer too as cagers would learn to look at junctions!


this would soon turn nasty - with cyclist deliberately being 'knocked into' so as to get on the compensation bandwagon.
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PostPosted: 08:33 - 22 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

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this would soon turn nasty - with cyclist deliberately being 'knocked into' so as to get on the compensation bandwagon.


So why doesn't that happen already? It'd be fairly easy to find a zebra crossing without nearby cameras, wait for the first car to come along and jump into it...

The reason it doesn't happen is that a little bump in a car is safe, jumping in front of a car (whether on foot or bike) is genuinely risky. Compo claimers don't want actual injuries!
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 22 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
Sako wrote:
this would soon turn nasty - with cyclist deliberately being 'knocked into' so as to get on the compensation bandwagon.


So why doesn't that happen already? It'd be fairly easy to find a zebra crossing without nearby cameras, wait for the first car to come along and jump into it...

The reason it doesn't happen is that a little bump in a car is safe, jumping in front of a car (whether on foot or bike) is genuinely risky. Compo claimers don't want actual injuries!


it doesn't happen already as the courts haven't pre-determined the blamed prior to any accident having taken place (which is the method you are advocating here), if these cyclist think they are ultimately beyond the law then it will be abused - give 'em an inch and all that
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 22 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I followed a ped boy down a bus lane to filter through backed up traffic

You'd think it would be safer than the middle of the lanes and would be legal, seeing as there was no buses or taxis around and it was a nice clear stretch

Confused I just dont think its fair on car drivers
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 22 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Sako wrote:
it doesn't happen already as the courts haven't pre-determined the blamed prior to any accident having taken place (which is the method you are advocating here), if these cyclist think they are ultimately beyond the law then it will be abused - give 'em an inch and all that


Yes they have, hit a pedestrian on a zebra crossing with no witnesses and try to get away with it! Just like rear ending someone with no witnesses (the most common compo accident).

Also I'm not saying predetermine - I said it was an exaggeration in my first post. I've said it in another thread too, but skew the burden to the people with the most 'offensive weapon' and the training that went along with it...




*I use 'offensive weapon' because I can't think of a better term. I mean something that you're controlling and is potentially a mortal danger to others.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 22 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
[windmill-hugging surrender monkey waffle]


Are you sure that this is actually a legal principle in the Netherlands, or whether it's more of a cultural thing?
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