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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Paying off a credit agreement early? Reply with quote

I did this about a decade ago, but wanted to check with the civil law / collections goon types about whether it's still viable.

My plan is to buy a car on "credit" from Dodgy Dan's Cut and Shut Shack, accept whatever usurious rate of interest that they want to charge in return for a lower total figure (but a high monthly repayment), then drive home and pay off the credit in full - because I am considerably richer than yow.

I recall last time that I incurred an admin charge (£20 or £25 or so) for doing this but otherwise just paid off the headline figure, not any of the interest.

However, things may have changed since then, so I wanted to get a heads up on whether it's still viable, or whether I'm likely to get stitched up by pre-applied interest, i.e. I think that I'm "borrowing" £5K but the amount owed immediately is actually £7.5K or so.

I can and do read contracts, I'm just looking for a heads up about the current state of the credit market and whether I'm likely to find a "borrow £5K, pay back £5K" deal out there today.

[UPDATE]
Eh, never mind, found it.

Consumer Credit Act 1974 section 66A: I can cancel within 14 days without reason, repay the loan amount plus only the accrued interest (pennies, and with no added fees or charges) and get title to the vehicle even if it's sold under a hire-purchase agreement.

Man, usurers just can't catch a break these days. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:46 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you've got the money why not pay cash or am I missing something?
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

" I can cancel within 14 days without reason, repay the loan amount plus only the accrued interest (pennies, and with no added fees or charges) and get title to the vehicle even if it's sold under a hire-purchase agreement. "

If it was signed on their premises.

But yes, generally can cancel after gaining a discount from the retailer due to him getting a backhander from the finance company.

If you miss the 14 day window on it, and restrictions apply to overpaying, then the best way out is to pay half the balance each month.
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 05 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

flat spot wrote:
If you've got the money why not pay cash or am I missing something?


Because you don't get a discount for paying cash except from the very dodgiest or most desperate of geezers.

There are plenty of places still offering high rate finance though, over 4 or 5 years. For example, £5000 at 15% over 5 years results in you repaying £7137, or 43% profit for the financer. Some places make their money on the finance deals rather than the cars by preying on the desperate or arithmetically challenged.

So the idea is to score a deal that results in a low purchase price in return for taking a loan which would (if paid monthly) result in repaying far more than the car's value.

Then you pay it off straight away, score a good deal, and screw over a mugger who thought he was stiffing a rube. Karma all round.
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 06 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good idea, please let me know how it turns out.

I don't generally buy from dealers but that is a nice trick to keep in mind for future.

Cheers Karma

Would the loan amount be for the ticket price of the car, or the price plus interest? Would that be something to look out for in the fine print?
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 06 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
Would the loan amount be for the ticket price of the car, or the price plus interest? Would that be something to look out for in the fine print?


The loan would only ever be on the price of the vehicle, which would then have interest applied. Otherwise, they'd be loaning you more than you need and not charging you any interest on it.

It is a cracking idea tho - I'd never thought of it before, so I would also be interested to hear how it works out. Or rather how much hassle it will be to make work!
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 06 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, what a good idea.

Here's a question, would you be able to do a balance transfer onto a credit card as some cards now offer 24 months interest free!
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 06 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like you should be able to pay off the loan in any reasonable way.

And it shouldn't be too much hassle, since the statute looks fairly clear about the unconditional right to cancel within 14 days. Just phrase it as a clear instruction by email and/or recorded delivery letter.

Of course, a dodgy financier could simply try to ignore the instruction to cancel, but with the direct debit also cancelled, what are they going to do then? Demand their money back? I've already offered to pay it.

However, I'd be sure to park the car elsewhere until I have clear title, in case Dodgy Dan decides he'd rather have the car instead of the money. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 09 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same principal works for electrical goods in Currys, Comet etc...

Get them to knock down the price by agreeing to take the overpriced extended warranty. Cancel warranty within 14 days. Profit.
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 09 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oooh, nicely spotted. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 11 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

Then you pay it off straight away, score a good deal, and screw over a mugger who thought he was stiffing a rube. Karma all round.


Win! Karma Pints on Roger all round Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 11 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And it shouldn't be too much hassle, since the statute looks fairly clear about the unconditional right to cancel within 14 days. Just phrase it as a clear instruction by email and/or recorded delivery letter.


I very much doubt they haven't got this avenue covered. Yes you can cancel the agreement within 14 days but I bet the price of the car is conditional to paying the agreement price. If you cancel the agreement and I'll bet they come up with a different final settlement price.
If you then disagree with this they'll not only demand the car back (which you'll give because you wanted it cheaper) but also bill you for having their car for a period of time.
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 11 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

flat spot wrote:
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And it shouldn't be too much hassle, since the statute looks fairly clear about the unconditional right to cancel within 14 days. Just phrase it as a clear instruction by email and/or recorded delivery letter.


I very much doubt they haven't got this avenue covered. Yes you can cancel the agreement within 14 days but I bet the price of the car is conditional to paying the agreement price. If you cancel the agreement and I'll bet they come up with a different final settlement price.
If you then disagree with this they'll not only demand the car back (which you'll give because you wanted it cheaper) but also bill you for having their car for a period of time.


Once the car rolls out the garage it is then property of the finance company untill its paid in full, the garage will not know that the finance has been paid off, also they can not change the agreed price the only thing they will add is incurred interest.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 17 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonB wrote:
Wow, what a good idea.

Here's a question, would you be able to do a balance transfer onto a credit card as some cards now offer 24 months interest free!


Slightly different but along the lines of screwing over the people who prey on the desperate....

About 2 years ago I balance transferred £2000 onto a credit card that’s current balance was £0. This resulted in me having a positive account of £2000 which they sent me in cheque form when I asked them to.

The card I'd balanced transferred was then 0% interest for 18 months. by the time you take into account the £60 fee for the transfer it worked out at about 3.5% APR as I paid it back at the end of the 18 months.

Seeing as you can now get 1% fee balance transfers short term cash is easy to come by if you fancy it!
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 17 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

law is different now, you have to pay off the highest interest balance first, so if the transfer fee earns interest it will be paid off well before the balance transfer
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 18 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You pay a flat rate one off charge to do the transfer.

You don't pay anything for owing them the money for the time that the interest free credit lasts.
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PostPosted: 06:55 - 19 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re the OP

Bought a car on finance a few years back. Decided to pay it in full shortly after, iirc cost be about £100. No sure if that was first month interest or admin fee but it wasn't an issue for the finance company. Very easy to deal with.
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 20 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice one Roger, I will bear this in mind when at the dealership next month Thumbs Up
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