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 Posted: 17:51 - 13 Jan 2012 Post subject: How do I adjust the chain?! |
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FUCKING FUCKITY FUCK.
Been out for about 3 hours trying to adjust my chain on my 1999 E7 ZZR600 to absolutely no avail. Noticed that there was serious slack to the chain, making gear changes hideous and since I've already experienced what happens when you don't adjust your chain on my previous bike, decided to sort it out today.
Read the service manual, seems easy enough, loosen torque nuts, remove cotter pin and loosen axle nut, loosen chain adjusting bolts, then turn the axle nut on both sides to adjust chain.
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Except I keep turning the bloody axle nuts and nothing bloody happens! I loosened them all the way, then tightened them all the way, and it all had absolutely no effect on the chain. I did forget to turn them evenly, and now I seem to have tightened it so much, it wont fucking budge.
I'm trying to loosen them, but on the left side, if I try to loosen it, it just lifts the whole swing arm up, and on the right side, it just absolutely does not budge.
So, what do I do now? I'm gonna take it down to the mechanics tomorrow and sort it out if I don't get some magic fix here. I've left it soaking in WD40 for now to hopefully make things easier tomorrow.
Any tips on how to sort this? And was I doing the right thing (apart from not doing it evenly?) or should I have been turning something else to tighten the chain?
I am incredibly frustrated, sorry about the swearing, but will be much obliged if someone could give me a hand. |
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 Posted: 18:03 - 13 Jan 2012 Post subject: |
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Shame that the picture is not showing.
Have a look on here https://www.zzr-international.co.uk/forum/viewforum.php?f=13 as I have no experience on ZZR600s apart from one that a friend had for a short time. ____________________ Just talk bikes.What else is there?
Always have a 'Plan B'
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 Posted: 18:08 - 13 Jan 2012 Post subject: |
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loosening the axle nut will have no affect on the chain, it will simply loosen or tighten the rear wheel axle.
Loosen it, until its not tight, not as loose as can be, this allows the wheel to move back, the adjuster nuts, located on the very back of the swingarm - sticking out rearwards, are the ones which tighten the chain.
Like it says, loosen the locknuts (most rearward of the two), and back them off, out of the way of the adjuster nut (nut closest/touching the back of the arm) then turn the adjuster nuts clockwise to tighten the chain or anti clockwise to loosen the chain to the desired tension.
Do EXACTLY the same thing to each side to keep the wheel aligned.
so if its a nut, do 1 'flat' or 'point' of the nut at a time, generally works best.
Once this is done and the chain is correctly tensioned, tighten the axle up first, this will stop the wheel moving any more - torque settings in the book, but generally a good 'oomph' or two is enough. Then snug the locknuts up (hold the adjusters still with the spanner to stop the locknut turning the adjuster)
Then tighten the torque arm back up.
Chuck some chain lube on just for good measure and you should be done
HTH
Mike
P.S if you loosen the chain because you've tightened it too much, a kick of the back wheel will move it forward, loosening it will not move it forward itself, it will only create slack for it to be moved forward. ____________________ '04 Yamaha WR450F
'99 SV650 Streetfighter Project - mid build
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 Posted: 19:15 - 13 Jan 2012 Post subject: |
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| mredhead wrote: | loosening the axle nut will have no affect on the chain, it will simply loosen or tighten the rear wheel axle.
Loosen it, until its not tight, not as loose as can be, this allows the wheel to move back, the adjuster nuts, located on the very back of the swingarm - sticking out rearwards, are the ones which tighten the chain.
Like it says, loosen the locknuts (most rearward of the two), and back them off, out of the way of the adjuster nut (nut closest/touching the back of the arm) then turn the adjuster nuts clockwise to tighten the chain or anti clockwise to loosen the chain to the desired tension.
Do EXACTLY the same thing to each side to keep the wheel aligned.
so if its a nut, do 1 'flat' or 'point' of the nut at a time, generally works best.
| Thanks for this, will try that. But I only have one set of nuts projecting out of the swingarm, so I'm guessing the lock nuts have gone into the mists of time?
My problem now is that I have done the axle nut way, way, way too tight it seems to a level where I can't physically undo it. It was a combination of stupidity, frustration and "goddamnit, tightening it MUST do something to the chain!" And the service manual clearly said "Turn the axel adjusting bolt" so I just kept on doing that
How can I get the axel bolt (on both sides) unstuck? |
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| moppy wrote: | Thanks for this, will try that. But I only have one set of nuts projecting out of the swingarm, so I'm guessing the lock nuts have gone into the mists of time?
My problem now is that I have done the axle nut way, way, way too tight it seems to a level where I can't physically undo it. It was a combination of stupidity, frustration and "goddamnit, tightening it MUST do something to the chain!" And the service manual clearly said "Turn the axel adjusting bolt" so I just kept on doing that
How can I get the axel bolt (on both sides) unstuck? |
theres not a pair on each? strange... looks like you've lost em.
try and get some more
As for the axle nut, you can either get as angry as you were when you did it up which should work, or get an extender bar or something to extend the spanner (which wont bend) so you can get a bit more leverage, or you can stand on it, bit tricky though
you got confused with axle nut and adjuster bolt, the one which goes transversly across the swingarm is the axle nut, the one running in line out the back is the axle adjuster nut
good luck!
Mike ____________________ '04 Yamaha WR450F
'99 SV650 Streetfighter Project - mid build
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| mredhead wrote: | Dude the one going through the wheel is the one that needs to be backed off, the one you've backed off is the adjuster nut, which needs to be rouching the back of the arm - that does all the adjusting. All backing that doff does is create slack for the wheel to move forward (like i said above).
The nut youve done up over tight is the axle nut, this JUST holds the wheel tight in place once you've sorted the chain.
HTH
Mike | Cheers, I did understand that when I posted the second lot of pics, but thanks for the heads up anyway. Ended up taking it down to the mechanics cos I just could not undo the axle nut, it was way too tight and my adjustable spanner didn't close around it, so just kept jumping off.
Mechanic got it undone in about 20secs with some proper tools, and showed me how to do it properly, so will be able to do it next time. And it only cost a fiver, so not too sad about it especially since he lubed up the chain as well.
Fasttrack Motorcycles in Leicester - Always been nothing but good to me.
Cheers for the help fellas, will know what to do next time. |
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glad its all sorted out now, and a valuable lesson learnt for the future
Keep a regular eye on it now, a bit of preventive maintenance rather than fix it when its nearly too late
good luck mate
Mike ____________________ '04 Yamaha WR450F
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| moppy wrote: | | mredhead wrote: | Dude the one going through the wheel is the one that needs to be backed off, the one you've backed off is the adjuster nut, which needs to be rouching the back of the arm - that does all the adjusting. All backing that doff does is create slack for the wheel to move forward (like i said above).
The nut youve done up over tight is the axle nut, this JUST holds the wheel tight in place once you've sorted the chain.
HTH
Mike | Cheers, I did understand that when I posted the second lot of pics, but thanks for the heads up anyway. Ended up taking it down to the mechanics cos I just could not undo the axle nut, it was way too tight and my adjustable spanner didn't close around it, so just kept jumping off.
Mechanic got it undone in about 20secs with some proper tools, and showed me how to do it properly, so will be able to do it next time. And it only cost a fiver, so not too sad about it especially since he lubed up the chain as well.
Fasttrack Motorcycles in Leicester - Always been nothing but good to me.
Cheers for the help fellas, will know what to do next time. |
Hate Fasttrack ever since they failed my bike that didn't really have anything wrong with it.
Anyway where abouts do you live? Will have to go for a ride once the weather gets a bit better (fair weather and proud of it).
Give us a shout if you need a hand with anything...
(You need any parts for your zzr? I still have a few parts left from when i started breaking my old one .) |
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