Details of new licence regime confirmed

[Dr. Quack]

Don't know if it's been posted before but:
Good sense or more bureaucracy?
I have to say it sounds better than the current 33 Bhp rules.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2012/January/jan1312-details-of-new-licencing-regime-confirmed/

[amnesia]

Take age out of the equation and base the power you are allowed on your number of years riding experience.

Then do the same with cars. Its time for a level playing field with licencing I think.
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[CaNsA]

Agreed with above.

I wish i was 17 with loadsa money, I would then buy a hyper-car and proceed to run over the knob'eds at the DSA then blame it on the power of the car. Just to prove a point.

All the money they are wasting on this shit should be spent on educating new car drivers correctly and not just a 30secs "watch out for bikes".

it grinds my gears!

[Paulington]

Just as useless as the current system but the Government make more money out of every full unrestricted licence there is on the road, that's all it comes down to.

I will be incredibly surprised if motorcycle accident statistics are affected by this in any relative manner, extra training is all well and good but 'real' experience is gained riding on the road after you've passed.

I feel sorry for those who will have to get their licence under this regime, a four year wait minimum, realistically five year minimum for 16 year olds is ridiculous.
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[Dr. Quack]

Yep! Capitalism and bureaucracy, or should we call it moral relativistic dominions.

In the valley of the blind the one eye man is king.

It won't stop us running into the miasmic minds of car driver’s nonchalantly pulling out of junctions and skidding on wet leaves.

[lilredmachine]

More importantly, as I've already had my test and got my licence, all this almost certainly means to me is a glut of new, lightweight sports 400cc sub 47hp machines.

New bike class
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[haroman666]

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[Glenben92]

I know I'd rather have my car crashed into by a kid on an overpowered bike than a kid in daddys overpowered car. (i'm -speaking from a "damage caused to my car/me" sort of perspective)

I'm very glad that I've got my license already and don't have to face that pretty fucking daunting task. Realistically, I'd say that most people get bike licenses at either sub 20 or post 40.

If you have to face that mountain and wait that long for the real experience of riding, you're likely to lose interest and rekindle it again during some middle aged reminiscing. Goodbye life-long bikers. Hello middle aged deaths due to jumping on DAS acquired R1s with no experience. Statistics will look even grimmer and I wouldn't be surprised if they banned biking along with sharp sticks and post-watershed telly. How repressive can things get before it all kicks off?
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[Rogerborg]

Keep your powder dry. The DfT / DSA have still not published the actual implementation of 2006/126/EC (now almost a year overdue), which will need at least a Statutory Instrument, and (I believe) primary legislation.

Even last week, ATBs were still being told that there "may" be a training route to upgrade licenses. At the moment, it's still all whisper and maybe-kinda-sorta.
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[Paulington]

[colin1]

this bit surprised me
"Alternatively, people over 24 can take a single Direct Access test to immediately qualify for bikes of any power. This test must be taken on a machine of at least 595cc and 54bhp."

so no more direct access on cb500
you'd have to learn on a 600 that's gonna be a pain for riding schools as 500's are pretty resilient to being dropped im not sure 600s are

this may mean a lot of 500s appearing on ebay though
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[temeluchus]

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[lilredmachine]

[ThoughtContro...]

So there'll be no "Do a test on a 125 and you get (some kind of) restricted licence" as a cheap way in then?

I can see this killing biking off, but that was probably the intention.
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[Brummy]

https://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/27455

MCN started e petition if anyone wants to sign it

[Rogerborg]

[Paulington]

As has been said above this will probably cause new bike licence of any type, especially those at the 19/21 age level in my opinion to significantly decreased and in some ways could be seen as making biking even less safe as a 16 year old will ride a moped for a year then get a car due to licensing regulations. Fast forward eight (8!) years and the person has some money in their pocket and they go:

"Ooh! Time for me to do my DAS as I am 24 and boom, I'll get myself a superbike after 10 hours of training and a test on a 80bhp naked commuter bike. I did ride a 50cc, 6bhp moped for a year 7 years ago!"

The same kind of situation currently applies to 35-45 year olds and they fight with 16-25 year olds for the 'Number of fatal accidents/serious injuries on a motorcycle' top spot but due to them being 24 or so and not 35-45 it could well be even worse.

As I said further up, the bottom line is that for each full motorcycle licence on the public roads the Government will probably end up with around 2-4x the amount of money. "

Who cares what the people want? As long as we get more money and we don't have to suffer the massive inconvenience!"

As above, it's a crying shame people have to go through such a crazy licence regime and I feel very sorry for those that have to go through it. When will they *ever* bother actually regulating CAR licences instead of letting the INSURANCE COMPANIES decide who can drive what and at what age? .
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CBT: 27/08/08. Theory: 04/09/09. Module 1: 16/09/09. Module 2: 01/10/09.

[Brummy]

[Rogerborg]

[Robby]

It sounds like a pretty good idea to me. Assuming it is properly implemented across Europe, it should force manufacturers into building bikes to fit the requirements.

Currently the bike market is a bit shit, because of the lack of bikes between 20 and 80bhp. It seems that most ranges have a lot of 125s, maybe a commuter 250, then jumps right up to a 4 cylinder 600. A revival of 400-500 twins making around 40-50bhp and delivering decent fuel burn would be good. Some people want a commuter that doesn't have enough power to get you in trouble, but has enough power and torque to be usable.

If this doesn't happen, and it just results in more kinds of (ignored) restrictor kits, then it will be a waste of time.

[Visitor Q]

So everyone who already has their licence thinks it's a good idea right...

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