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PostPosted: 17:34 - 21 Jan 2012    Post subject: 2stroke mx smoke/clutch Reply with quote

Just a quick one but when I start my mx bike up for the 1st time it smokes like a bitch until I give it a god ride. Is this normal? Is it just the oil sitting low in tank/carb?

Also the crappy rubber link part between the exhaust and silencer pisses oil out. Is there a better way to link/seal that part. I put it in the correct place ad it just moves again

Oh and the last thing is pulling away isn't smooth on the clutch it just bites and goes. And when in gear with the clutch in it still pulls/bites a bit..

Just a few things I was wondering if it's normal as I'm sure my 125 didn't have this clutch goings on.

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PostPosted: 19:56 - 21 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure about the clutch but you may just need to adjust it or replace the plates.

With the smoking on startup, many 2 strokes do, don't worry about it.

With the oil leaking, you may be running it too rich. I would put the ratio of fuel/oil up a bit. What ratio are you running at? You may find that you need to take the exhaust off and clean it. Caustic soda works well, do a search and read a bit before doing it though.

You may find that even after cleaning your exhaust, oil may still leak a bit. I had this problem with my 50 that running it with too much oil had caused the wadding in the can to fill up with oil. Made it leak and really loud. Changed the wadding, cleaned the exhaust out and lessened the mixture and it was fine. With the joint, are you jubilee clipping to both sides of the join?

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PostPosted: 20:06 - 21 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

HD wrote:
Not sure about the clutch but you may just need to adjust it or replace the plates.

With the smoking on startup, many 2 strokes do, don't worry about it.

With the oil leaking, you may be running it too rich. I would put the ratio of fuel/oil up a bit. What ratio are you running at? You may find that you need to take the exhaust off and clean it. Caustic soda works well, do a search and read a bit before doing it though.

You may find that even after cleaning your exhaust, oil may still leak a bit. I had this problem with my 50 that running it with too much oil had caused the wadding in the can to fill up with oil. Made it leak and really loud. Changed the wadding, cleaned the exhaust out and lessened the mixture and it was fine. With the joint, are you jubilee clipping to both sides of the join?

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I've got one of those per mix pump things not sure of the ratio without looking. After a bit of a ride it clears just always from start up.

I may give the exhaust a clean. Is it all of it or just the silencer? I've got some new packing for it in the garage.
The joint is just a rubber sleeve with to tight springs either side but on my Honda 125 it's got a recess that it sits in and doesn't move this yamaha just sits there and moves out of place.

What's the best way to adjust th clutch?

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PostPosted: 20:13 - 21 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 stroke MX bike? Clutch sounds normal to me. Slip the clutch as you pull away Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 21 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, if its pre mix then there should be a mark it needs to line up with to be as it should. Hard to explain but just adjust the throttle cable to line it up. If it is already lined up or it makes no difference, then wait for someone more clued up than me to come along.

Just clean the front pipe as there could be oil sitting at the bottom of the expansion chamber or something. Then repack the silencer. That's what I would do anyway but try to get your oil mixture right first as you don't want to flood your freshly packed exhaust Laughing

With the clutch, it should have 2-3mm play at the lever end. On the engine end, I am not too sure. Never adjusted a clutch that end as mine has always been fine. If you have a manual it should tell you how to adjust it in there. If not, download one online or buy one.

Is this the yz250?
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 21 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dean-J wrote:
2 stroke MX bike? Clutch sounds normal to me. Slip the clutch as you pull away Thumbs Up


Good point, use it to pull away then don't use it unless you are slipping it. Get someone who has had a few mx bikes to ride it and tell you.

My old Rm125 had an awful clutch so I can't comment on that bit Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 21 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whats the plug like?
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 21 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

HD wrote:
Ah, if its pre mix then there should be a mark it needs to line up with to be as it should. Hard to explain but just adjust the throttle cable to line it up. If it is already lined up or it makes no difference, then wait for someone more clued up than me to come along.

Just clean the front pipe as there could be oil sitting at the bottom of the expansion chamber or something. Then repack the silencer. That's what I would do anyway but try to get your oil mixture right first as you don't want to flood your freshly packed exhaust Laughing

With the clutch, it should have 2-3mm play at the lever end. On the engine end, I am not too sure. Never adjusted a clutch that end as mine has always been fine. If you have a manual it should tell you how to adjust it in there. If not, download one online or buy one.

Is this the yz250?


Thanks for all that and yes it's tHe yz250 I'm going out on it tomoz so I'll see how it goes. It's just I had a ride round the drive today and noticed these things I've never notice when I'm out abusing it.
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 21 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A motocross bike running premix, first I've heard of it though.

Yeah dont worry about the clutch, should be in the powerbands anyway. Just try and adjust the oil. Although yiu dont need to, just means your using more. Unless your racing properly then I would be tempted to leave it.
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 21 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

HD wrote:
A motocross bike running premix, first I've heard of it though.

Yeah dont worry about the clutch, should be in the powerbands anyway. Just try and adjust the oil. Although yiu dont need to, just means your using more. Unless your racing properly then I would be tempted to leave it.


Premix as in mixing the oil with the fuel then filling tank?
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 21 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I meant auto lube. Do you have an oil pump or do you put the oil in the petrol tank?
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 21 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mix the oil into a jerry can with fuel.

I meant I had a pump on the oil bottle to measure the mix into the fuel.
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 22 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most MX strokers use around 33/1 mix, which i think works out about 153ml 2 stroke to 5L of Fuel. a bit of smoking is normal, heavier when started up, should clear to a light haze under acceleration Smile
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 22 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right I'm with you now, knew id never seen a pump on a crosser before. What ratio are you running the bike at?
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 22 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adjusted clutch and all is good now.

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PostPosted: 20:20 - 22 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good job, what oil ratio are you running?
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 22 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the pump the bike shop got me it says 40/1 25cc
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 22 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

40:1 isn't too bad. A lot of people I know run either 40:1 or 50:1. Maybe try upping it to 45:1 but wouldn't have thought that would make it chuck out too much oil. If the bike seems okay, don't worry about it. I may be wrong but either check the exhaust isn't full of oil or maybe your rings are on their way out or crank seals but I wouldn't even bother checking either til someone comes along and seconds this.

But yeah, just ride it, it's probably not that bad anyway haha!
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 22 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

what cc is it also waht are you useing it for ?
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 23 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It all runs sweet. Just wanted t know if it was normal to smoke all the time on start up and then clear up when riding. Rings are fine not sure about crank seals.

Bike is a 250cc and I use it to thrash around lol. Enduro riding mainly. But do use the odd mx track.

Thanks for the help
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 23 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah its normal, just tighter the join with jubilee clips.
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 24 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

use 125 to 150ml of oil to 5l of petrol
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