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PostPosted: 14:53 - 25 Jan 2012    Post subject: How Shoei make the best hard hats Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 25 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I would rate Arai higher than Shoei, but not by much. I would say all other lids fall by the wayside in comparison. (In terms of safety)
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 25 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I would rate Arai higher than Shoei, but not by much. I would say all other lids fall by the wayside in comparison. (In terms of safety)


In terms of safety surely all lids have to meet required standards even the cheapo 29 quidders, and I dont doubt that the largest helmet makers are at the forefront of safety technology but it seems like a lot of bikers are hung up on the name, when in all actuallity if it meets safety requirements then its good enough.
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 25 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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In terms of safety surely all lids have to meet required standards even the cheapo 29 quidders, and I dont doubt that the largest helmet makers are at the forefront of safety technology but it seems like a lot of bikers are hung up on the name, when in all actuallity if it meets safety requirements then its good enough.


If you saw a cross section of an Arai, and then a cross section of other lids, you would see how different they can be. I used to have an AGV, but promptly got rid of that and got myself an Arai when I saw the lids cut in half to show their construction.

The lids that rossi etc use are not the same as the lids you buy in the shop. With Arai, the lids Hayden etc use ARE the same as the lids you buy in the shop.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 25 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have owned 1 expensive lid.

AGV something or other, 1 crash as it was totalled. By totalled I mean cracked in half on impact. Didn't bother me too much, was in coma Laughing

But ever since, I've always had cheap lids, they have lasted well and never cost me more than £60. I feel safe in them...even my £10 one is allowed on track Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 25 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not really into a beef over Who's Who. They are all over priced anyway.

It was only something I saw on t' Internet.

I use Schuberth, Arai, Nolan, Shoei and HJC and my Shoei beats the others on comfort, performance and price. AFAIC.
Arai £700 WTF??? Shocked

AGV doesn't fit over my big bonce too good.
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 25 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
mooserx wrote:
-Savage- wrote:
I would rate Arai higher than Shoei, but not by much. I would say all other lids fall by the wayside in comparison. (In terms of safety)


In terms of safety surely all lids have to meet required standards even the cheapo 29 quidders, and I dont doubt that the largest helmet makers are at the forefront of safety technology but it seems like a lot of bikers are hung up on the name, when in all actuallity if it meets safety requirements then its good enough.

This, I mean all it is really is some plastic over some polystyrene, maybe the cheaper ones use less plastic so it is thinner,

And actually the Shoei is worse than my Caberg one on the Sharps test,
Left side impact on my lid is yellow, on the Shoei XR1000 it is red
Right side impact on my lid is brown, on the Shoei it is Red

And the Shoei XR1100 only beats my lid on right hand side impact yellow to brown.

A £60 Box helmet is better rated 4* than the Shoei XR1000 and my Caberg is 3*

A similar priced to the Shoei, Arai RX7 the side impacts are marked as black, black being the lowest possible

A Schuberth C3 looking at it it I wouldn't want it on my head.

Around the £200-300 mark the known branded helmets are the same as the cheaper Box ones.

You're paying for a name and a design you like, go and have a look at the sharps tests.


Oddly looking through the Sharps test at the known brands Caberg has 1 out of 6 in the 3 star range, the rest are 4-5 stars
Arai out 8 lids has, 1 2* rated lid 5 3* lids, 1 4* and 1 5*
Shoei out of 8 lids has. 2 3* lids 2 4* lids rest 5* lids


The best helmet out there is the one that fits you, you could wear a £600 Arai lid, if it don't fit it wont do shit.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 25 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
pits wrote:

The best helmet out there is the one that fits you, you could wear a £600 Arai lid, if it don't fit it wont do shit.


Agree. I actually have an Arai though. I tried on a range of lids ranging from £120 - £450 and the £200 Arai fit my head the best. I wouldn't have had a problem getting a cheaper lid if it was a better fit. I do alot of miles so comfort is an important factor for me.

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PostPosted: 16:48 - 25 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
pits wrote:
mooserx wrote:


In terms of safety surely all lids have to meet required standards even the cheapo 29 quidders, and I dont doubt that the largest helmet makers are at the forefront of safety technology but it seems like a lot of bikers are hung up on the name, when in all actuallity if it meets safety requirements then its good enough.

This, I mean all it is really is some plastic over some polystyrene, maybe the cheaper ones use less plastic so it is thinner,

And actually the Shoei is worse than my Caberg one on the Sharps test,
Left side impact on my lid is yellow, on the Shoei XR1000 it is red
Right side impact on my lid is brown, on the Shoei it is Red

And the Shoei XR1100 only beats my lid on right hand side impact yellow to brown.

A £60 Box helmet is better rated 4* than the Shoei XR1000 and my Caberg is 3*

A similar priced to the Shoei, Arai RX7 the side impacts are marked as black, black being the lowest possible

A Schuberth C3 looking at it it I wouldn't want it on my head.

Around the £200-300 mark the known branded helmets are the same as the cheaper Box ones.

You're paying for a name and a design you like, go and have a look at the sharps tests.


Oddly looking through the Sharps test at the known brands Caberg has 1 out of 6 in the 3 star range, the rest are 4-5 stars
Arai out 8 lids has, 1 2* rated lid 5 3* lids, 1 4* and 1 5*
Shoei out of 8 lids has. 2 3* lids 2 4* lids rest 5* lids


The best helmet out there is the one that fits you, you could wear a £600 Arai lid, if it don't fit it wont do shit.


Sharp tests aren't gospel you know Laughing

It's like saying Chinese tyres are the same as Pirelli, Michelin etc After all it's just rubber right? Would you buy Chinese tyres for your bike?

Yes my example is a bit extreme but hopefully you get the point. However that's not to say cheap lids are rubbish, cheap helmets can be good but it's just some are better than others. What Shoei/Arai and the big companies have over some of the cheaper brands is a lot more money which means more money for R&D and better materials.

Basically my point is yes cheap lids can be good but I doubt they can the classed to be on the same level as the bigger brands
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 25 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
If it doesn't fit properly, it'll either be loose and not protect you, or be uncomfortable and distract you.

To me, and as long as it meets UK standards, fit is more important than the tests.

I have an HJC shaped head. Shoei and Arai always feel uncomfortable on my bonce - even if they are the "best".

After all, if I can concentrate on what I'm doing without the helmet annoying me, I'm less likely to need to use it's protection in the first place.

IMO, obv.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 25 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
rac3r wrote:
. What Shoei/Arai and the big companies have over some of the cheaper brands is a lot more money which means more money for R&D and better materials.



Visit custom @ the bottom and watch the vid
You may find that the cheaper co's spend more on R&D than the top names. Based on hte fact they sell far more units than the named brands.

Higher consumer cost, does not equal more spent on R&D.... I bet they spend more on advertising and sponsorship.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 25 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
-Savage- wrote:

The lids that rossi etc use are not the same as the lids you buy in the shop. With Arai, the lids Hayden etc use ARE the same as the lids you buy in the shop.


Moto GP riders use SNELL spec helmets, rather than ECE ones, so no you can't legally use even the same Arai on UK roads as Hayden and that. Thumbs Up

Anyway, the best helmet is the one that yo're comfortable in/fits best. Arais are lovely, but don't fit me, Shoei do fit me, and I think the quality's better than my old AGV TiTech or Shark. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 25 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Big_Ham wrote:

Moto GP riders use SNELL spec helmets, rather than ECE ones, so no you can't legally use even the same Arai on UK roads as Hayden and that. Thumbs Up



Arai rx7-gp is ECE 22-05 and Snell M2010 standard. Thumbs Up even the carbon fibre rx7-gp is available to public and legal for road use. Arai don't make different lids for racers. << worked in arai dealer.
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 25 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Arai rx7-gp is snell and ece.


Exactly the same helmet passes both the SNELL and ECE tests?

Never heard of that before. A couple of years back it was common to have two different specs. One for SNELL, one for ECE.
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Why would being able to use the same helmet as a GP rider be a good thing? They crash at 180mph on race tracks, I don't.


If I were less lazy I would find the SHARP testing article where SNELL testing was being criticised for requiring protection against high energy impacts at the expense of better protection in low energy impacts. Their reasoning being that high energy impacts will often result in other injuries that kill the person whereas protection against the low energy impacts that are VERY common on the road are compromised.


In short - GP riders and road riders have very different kinds of crashes, helmets should be designed to cater for these differences.
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 25 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
rac3r wrote:
Sharp tests aren't gospel you know Laughing


Then name a better alternative.

Just so we're clear "Ferdingo McMoto wears one", or "They cost a lot and spend some of that money on some really good marketing" is not an objective test.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 25 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
rac3r wrote:
Sharp tests aren't gospel you know Laughing


Then name a better alternative.

Just so we're clear "Ferdingo McMoto wears one", or "They cost a lot and spend some of that money on some really good marketing" is not an objective test.


I don't know you tell me Laughing Wink

I've worked at a Shoei/Arai dealer and they had a load of other helmets there too. Obviously I didn't smash the helmets up to compare them but what I did find is that the cheaper ones tended to be a lot heavier, which is what I found with my Marushin lid compared to my XR1100. The lighter lid made a massive difference to comfort. My XR1100 is also a lot quieter than my Marushin was

Anyway as others have said it comes down to fit and comfort. The argument will always go round and round as to why Shoei/Arai lids cost so much and as to whether these costs can be justified

To be fair I only got my Shoei because I got it at trade otherwise I would have bought another Marushin or a K Series AGV Mr. Green
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I have had a few makes and the ones that don't last are the circa sub £250 jobs. The linings wear out and the little things fall off.
That's why I need to buy the more expensive helmets.
Although I would not buy another Arai it did hold together and the lining and padding is still as good as new.
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