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PostPosted: 14:29 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Buying advice - 97 monster 750 Reply with quote

I'm probably going to take a look at a '97 Ducati monster 750. Other than the basics does anyone know of anything I should look out for on one of these?

It's going to be a donor for my fiat 500 project so the general condition is not too important but the mechanicals are. Although I will be parting out the bits I don't need so valuable parts are still a consideration.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Buying advice - 97 monster 750 Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
I'm probably going to take a look at a '97 Ducati monster 750. Other than the basics does anyone know of anything I should look out for on one of these?

It's going to be a donor for my fiat 500 project so the general condition is not too important but the mechanicals are. Although I will be parting out the bits I don't need so valuable parts are still a consideration.


The motors are pretty strong but guttless, it is only about 60bhp I think. It's usually everything else that goes tits up on them. If you are lumping the engine in to your car, if you give it a full service including belts your shouldn't have much to worry about.

TBH I don't think much is in demand the suspension is pretty cheap and basic, but you might get lucky selling the front end to a cheap street fighter builder.

A lot of the 600 Monsters didn't have a left? calliper, you might get some money for the dual disc set up (Discs, MC, lines, and callipers)

Would it not be worth going for a M900? I'm pretty sure they are more common than the 750 not more weight and produce more power.
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Buying advice - 97 monster 750 Reply with quote

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daemonoid wrote:
I'm probably going to take a look at a '97 Ducati monster 750. Other than the basics does anyone know of anything I should look out for on one of these?

It's going to be a donor for my fiat 500 project so the general condition is not too important but the mechanicals are. Although I will be parting out the bits I don't need so valuable parts are still a consideration.


The motors are pretty strong but guttless, it is only about 60bhp I think. It's usually everything else that goes tits up on them. If you are lumping the engine in to your car, if you give it a full service including belts your shouldn't have much to worry about.

TBH I don't think much is in demand the suspension is pretty cheap and basic, but you might get lucky selling the front end to a cheap street fighter builder.

A lot of the 600 Monsters didn't have a left? calliper, you might get some money for the dual disc set up (Discs, MC, lines, and callipers)

Would it not be worth going for a M900? I'm pretty sure they are more common than the 750 not more weight and produce more power.

Actually slightly more than that BHP wise take into account that all Ducati horsepower figures are quoted at the rear wheel not at the fly wheel like other bikes, so it is actually *checks web* 53bhp ATRW, I thought my Duke was slow.

Mecahnically pretty good but that is providing there is full service history with either Ducati or some Italian specialists that knows what they are doing, bear in mind the 1997 bike will be pre rocker upgrade, so if they haven't been checked and regularly looked after if they go, big big bill, as in cheaper to buy second hand engine.

Get the engine checked over thoroughly though.



I assume you're doing a bike engine car? If so don't bother putting a Duke lump in there, phrase "waste of time" comes to mind, next door to me had a very light Micra with a CBR1000 engine in it, was classed as mediocre in performance just sounds like you're going fast.

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PostPosted: 15:02 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What bits?
The engine is considered a good one, although low in power. Smooth power delivery helped by the use of carbs. Thumbs Up
I can't recall reading any horror stories about them. As per most bikes, people who ride them infrequently or don't service them seem to suffer.
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Buying advice - 97 monster 750 Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
<snip> Would it not be worth going for a M900? I'm pretty sure they are more common than the 750 not more weight and produce more power.


pits wrote:
I assume you're doing a bike engine car? If so don't bother putting a Duke lump in there, phrase "waste of time" comes to mind, next door to me had a very light Micra with a CBR1000 engine in it, was classed as mediocre in performance just sounds like you're going fast.

Better bike engines out there for a bike project than a low power V twin Thumbs Up


Thanks to both of you - some good advice. Any more from any more would still be appreciated though.

To address the gutless concerns though - it's a classic fiat 500 (22bhp when new and in fine fettle) 60 will be astounding in comparison. I'm not trying to make a rocket or even a track day car, instead I'm trying to do a sympathetic but usable resto / upgrade. I want absolute minimal alteration to the bodywork and having too much power will soon require upgrading the rear wheels which will then require ugly flared arches.

I also want to stay Italian all the way, plus I've bought the ducati500 website now so I have to stick with ducati Smile

It's all about the project really - the car's a hobby but I want to be able to travel in it a bit once it's done. Style, consistent design and a fun project is more important to me than a supercar rivalling outcome. That said, I'd love an 848 engine in it but budget is also important!
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not go for the more power 64whp 750SS engine, still the aircooled lump and being a newer version if you get the oil leak on the case it doesn't require massive bill to just fix like on the older ones.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DUCATI-750SS-750-SS-SUPERSPORT-ENGINE-MOTOR-1999-/110767845718?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19ca473156
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

The 750 is the older engine, closely related to the 600, and the old Pantah 600 and 500 engines, while the 900 is based on the somewhat updated engine from the late 1980s. 6 speed gearbox, but incorporating a lot of changes intended for the water cool 906 Paso and the 851 engines.

That said not sure there are major problems with either. Heard stories about excessive wear on the lower cylinder, and cylinder head bolts giving up on the 900.

If you land up buying a later fuel injected bike that has the immobiliser system (not sure exactly which models, but includes things like the Monster S4) then make sure you get the master key.

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PostPosted: 16:47 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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The 750 is the older engine, closely related to the 600, and the old Pantah 600 and 500 engines, while the 900 is based on the somewhat updated engine from the late 1980s. 6 speed gearbox, but incorporating a lot of changes intended for the water cool 906 Paso and the 851 engines.

That said not sure there are major problems with either. Heard stories about excessive wear on the lower cylinder, and cylinder head bolts giving up on the 900.

If you land up buying a later fuel injected bike that has the immobiliser system (not sure exactly which models, but includes things like the Monster S4) then make sure you get the master key.

All the best

Keith

The original 750 is the older engine, the 750SS with the fuel injection has a few revised parts on it, like I say with the oil leak, if I had the older 750SS it would involve taking something off ( I forget) and the only way to put that nut back on is by taking the engine apart.

The 750SS I have has no immobiliser system thankfully, but try and get the FI model, it is better than the carbed version Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

750 is a much sweeter lump than the 900 and not alot slower.
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PostPosted: 01:11 - 29 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I did it! £1650 for the bike 7700 miles and looked spotless. Duc performance exhausts too! Will post some pics as soon as I have a real net connection.
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 29 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

can i ask why a Duke engine and not a IL4 with alot more bhp ? and faster? as its a fiat 500 wouldnt think you need that much torque?
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PostPosted: 00:50 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Buying advice - 97 monster 750 Reply with quote

Pics attached, deposit paid - pick it up in a couple of weeks.

Welshd1k wrote:
can i ask why a Duke engine and not a IL4 with alot more bhp ? and faster? as its a fiat 500 wouldnt think you need that much torque?


See My comment above.
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would be a tragic waste of a lovely bike. I'd offer a straight swap for my Firestorm lump but I love the Storm too much to warrant parting with it, even for a Ducati Monster.

But it is a "This close to offering" scenario.

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PostPosted: 10:16 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
Would be a tragic waste of a lovely bike. I'd offer a straight swap for my Firestorm lump but I love the Storm too much to warrant parting with it, even for a Ducati Monster.

But it is a "This close to offering" scenario.


I'm already getting the feeling I don't want to break it up! I will certainly be using it for a while (I've got a lot of jobs to do before hand and not much time). I'll keep my eye on eBay etc. for something a little more beaten up.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
Would be a tragic waste of a lovely bike. I'd offer a straight swap for my Firestorm lump but I love the Storm too much to warrant parting with it, even for a Ducati Monster.

But it is a "This close to offering" scenario.

https://pettylarseny.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/this_close_man.jpg


It has about half the power of your storm Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Buying advice - 97 monster 750 Reply with quote

pits wrote:

Actually slightly more than that BHP wise take into account that all Ducati horsepower figures are quoted at the rear wheel not at the fly wheel like other bikes, so it is actually *checks web* 53bhp ATRW, I thought my Duke was slow.

Mecahnically pretty good but that is providing there is full service history with either Ducati or some Italian specialists that knows what they are doing, bear in mind the 1997 bike will be pre rocker upgrade, so if they haven't been checked and regularly looked after if they go, big big bill, as in cheaper to buy second hand engine.

Get the engine checked over thoroughly though.



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Better bike engines out there for a bike project than a low power V twin Thumbs Up



The Micra had mediocre performance with a CBR1000 engine in it? Sounds odd.
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:


It has about half the power of your storm Laughing


I know Chris but I do have a soft spot in the blackness of my heart for the Duc Monster.
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They've made a poo-load of Monsters.

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PostPosted: 17:47 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen a few Monster 1000/1100 DS motors about
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