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Wibbles
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Servicing & Problems Reply with quote

So I've had a pretty rough day today..

I put my bike in for a winter service and it ended up costing £500 which I wasn't really expecting, that was; Oil+Filter, Chain cleaning / adjusting, "Standard Service" and both my wheels being replaced.

The bit that makes my day worse? It comes out with a nice deep chunk out of the back side of it which really got to me.

Went through phoning them up when I saw it and they were pretty nice about it when I took it around to them but it has to go back in again (I guess they will try to 'touch' it up again but we'll see how that goes).

Main point of the thread, does anyone have any learning points (books, sites etc.) for learning to do something like a service yourself? I could do without dishing out that sort of money for changing oil and the likes.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

both your wheels being replaced?????
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
both your wheels being replaced?????


I should have said tyres, sorry! Yes, not the entire wheel, was cutting it close to tread minimum.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Servicing & Problems Reply with quote

Wibbles wrote:
So I've had a pretty rough day today..

I put my bike in for a winter service and it ended up costing £500 which I wasn't really expecting, that was; Oil+Filter, Chain cleaning / adjusting, "Standard Service" and both my wheels being replaced.

The bit that makes my day worse? It comes out with a nice deep chunk out of the back side of it which really got to me.

Went through phoning them up when I saw it and they were pretty nice about it when I took it around to them but it has to go back in again (I guess they will try to 'touch' it up again but we'll see how that goes).

Main point of the thread, does anyone have any learning points (books, sites etc.) for learning to do something like a service yourself? I could do without dishing out that sort of money for changing oil and the likes.


https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dautomotive&field-keywords=haynes+motorbike+manual&x=18&y=15
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Servicing & Problems Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
Wibbles wrote:
So I've had a pretty rough day today..

I put my bike in for a winter service and it ended up costing £500 which I wasn't really expecting, that was; Oil+Filter, Chain cleaning / adjusting, "Standard Service" and both my wheels being replaced.

The bit that makes my day worse? It comes out with a nice deep chunk out of the back side of it which really got to me.

Went through phoning them up when I saw it and they were pretty nice about it when I took it around to them but it has to go back in again (I guess they will try to 'touch' it up again but we'll see how that goes).

Main point of the thread, does anyone have any learning points (books, sites etc.) for learning to do something like a service yourself? I could do without dishing out that sort of money for changing oil and the likes.


https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dautomotive&field-keywords=haynes+motorbike+manual&x=18&y=15


Thanks! Published in 2004, are these things still accurate (that might be a stupid question)?
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me get this straight, they damaged your bike and are going to "try and touch it up"?

The part that is damaged should be replaced by a brand new part. No half measure touching up.

What bike is it?
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
Let me get this straight, they damaged your bike and are going to "try and touch it up"?

The part that is damaged should be replaced by a brand new part. No half measure touching up.

What bike is it?


It's a CB600F 1998. I'm giving them a chance to set things straight first as they have been working on my family bikes / cars for around 4 or 5 years but in all honesty I felt gutted, I literally clean this thing once a week sometimes more and I know every inch of it so it was a kick in the teeth as soon as I saw it.

Here is a pic, I know it isn't the biggest scratch ever but I didn't cause it and it frustrates me. There are some other scrapes and marks on it almost as if someone has dragged metal across the tank. All in all it just feels like poor workmanship but I'll give them an opportunity to fix it.

https://imageshack.us/f/851/p1020002h.jpg/

It looks like it has clipped a wall from the feel of the plastic groves, it is the part that sticks the furthest out on the bike so I wouldn't be surprised.


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PostPosted: 21:49 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would be checking the bar end, handle bars, lever, and various other parts for damage. That bikes been dropped.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
I would be checking the bar end, handle bars, lever, and various other parts for damage. That bikes been dropped.


See this is what makes me think it has seen a wall:

https://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg821/scaled.php?server=821&filename=p1020005j.jpg&res=medium

Although I am not 100% whether the bar end damage was there before or not, only the side panel because I polished the bike before giving it to them and I am pretty meticulous when doing it Smile
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wibbles wrote:
sickpup wrote:
I would be checking the bar end, handle bars, lever, and various other parts for damage. That bikes been dropped.


See this is what makes me think it has seen a wall:

https://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg821/scaled.php?server=821&filename=p1020005j.jpg&res=medium

Although I am not 100% whether the bar end damage was there before or not, only the side panel because I polished the bike before giving it to them and I am pretty meticulous when doing it Smile


'That' makes me think it was a 'the ground'.
They have to repair that too.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bar end damage suggests it has hit a floor rather than a wall but the give away is that the damage on the panel isn't side to side as it would be for wall damage but is impact, the 'holes' (for want of a better word) in the paint and the up/down damage. It's been dropped.
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
The bar end damage suggests it has hit a floor rather than a wall but the give away is that the damage on the panel isn't side to side as it would be for wall damage but is impact, the 'holes' (for want of a better word) in the paint and the up/down damage. It's been dropped.


Wouldn't the damage be on a bigger scale? I've never dropped a bike so I have no idea what sort of damage they normally get.
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 37 years of biking I have never taken my bike anywhere near a dealer,even when one of my bikes was brand new (granted it was an enduro race bike with no warranty).

As far as I am concerned,if someone else can work on it then so can I.And I can have more fun doing so and save myself a bundle in the meantime.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fizzer Thou wrote:
In 37 years of biking I have never taken my bike anywhere near a dealer,even when one of my bikes was brand new (granted it was an enduro race bike with no warranty).

As far as I am concerned,if someone else can work on it then so can I.And I can have more fun doing so and save myself a bundle in the meantime.


I've never ever touched anything mechanical in my life (apart from computers), I build computers and write software so I've always believed in paying people with other professional skills to do the work I can't manage to do myself.

This however, has made me rethink that Smile
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fizzer Thou wrote:
In 37 years of biking I have never taken my bike anywhere near a dealer,even when one of my bikes was brand new (granted it was an enduro race bike with no warranty).

As far as I am concerned,if someone else can work on it then so can I.And I can have more fun doing so and save myself a bundle in the meantime.


And if 'I' canny fit a Nut in a Monkey's mouth. Is it still perfectly OK to work on my bike?

It is great to be proficient to do one's own jobs but there are limits to peoples abilities. Just because we like biking doesn't make us bike mechanics.
I will encourage anyone to have a go but the trick is to know one's limits and not get too deep into something one knows fuck all useful about. It is possible to read stuff but there is no substitute for practical experience.

And some bikes need dealer support coz dealers have the tech-tools modern bikes need (and cannot seem to live long without). Unless one can afford to buy the home-use gear and get one's head around the tech to use it. Maybe not worthwhile if you fancy changing bikes from time to time. Or find a competent Non Franchised agent.
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely been dropped. As above, a wall would be long scratches from the front to the back. They'd also struggle to get both the tail and the bar end in one bad push. That has dents from hard parts going directly at the paint - i.e your bike falling sideways onto the floor.


I would not be impressed. New tail fairing and new bar end at the least. I suspect the levers, engine covers etc would be dented/ bent too. If you need help with anything then post in the workshop section, someone will know what you are on about and should be able to help. Haynes manuals are good too. Get yourself some metric spanners, a 3/8" metric socket set, some screwdrivers and an allen key set. Should cover pretty much all of your basic maintenance tasks.
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
Definitely been dropped. As above, a wall would be long scratches from the front to the back. They'd also struggle to get both the tail and the bar end in one bad push. That has dents from hard parts going directly at the paint - i.e your bike falling sideways onto the floor.


I would not be impressed. New tail fairing and new bar end at the least. I suspect the levers, engine covers etc would be dented/ bent too. If you need help with anything then post in the workshop section, someone will know what you are on about and should be able to help. Haynes manuals are good too. Get yourself some metric spanners, a 3/8" metric socket set, some screwdrivers and an allen key set. Should cover pretty much all of your basic maintenance tasks.


I've been looking over it for the last hour trying to find any other tell tales looking from the back and looking at the obvious bits that stick out but even running my fingers over the pedals / indicators I can't feel any rough edges.

Thanks for the input on the tools.
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wibbles wrote:
DonnyBrago wrote:
Definitely been dropped. As above, a wall would be long scratches from the front to the back. They'd also struggle to get both the tail and the bar end in one bad push. That has dents from hard parts going directly at the paint - i.e your bike falling sideways onto the floor.


I would not be impressed. New tail fairing and new bar end at the least. I suspect the levers, engine covers etc would be dented/ bent too. If you need help with anything then post in the workshop section, someone will know what you are on about and should be able to help. Haynes manuals are good too. Get yourself some metric spanners, a 3/8" metric socket set, some screwdrivers and an allen key set. Should cover pretty much all of your basic maintenance tasks.


I've been looking over it for the last hour trying to find any other tell tales looking from the back and looking at the obvious bits that stick out but even running my fingers over the pedals / indicators I can't feel any rough edges.

Thanks for the input on the tools.


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Get to your bed FFS..

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PostPosted: 23:13 - 27 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:

Are there no fucking cots where you are.....?

and... Independence Day is on the telly man..!

Get to your bed FFS..

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PostPosted: 07:57 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Servicing & Problems Reply with quote

junglejim wrote:

If it's any consellation, I was in my local dealer recently and overheard a guy being quoted £1,200 for a standard service on his Ducati.
Shocked


WTF!!! Mines is due it's 2 yearly service (belts etc) + fork oil renewed I'm looking at £380 maximum! And that's at a dealership.
What did he have a Desmosedici with a dropped valve?
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand your loyalty as you and yours have been going to the garage for years.

What worries me more is not the fact they dropped the bike (accidents happen), but they didn't tell you when you went to pick the bike up. A good garage would of been straight with you and offered to replace the parts with new and probably offered a discount on your service bill for messing up.

As well as Workshop forum part and Haynes manual, youtube is quite a good source of instructional videos on how to do stuff. It's probably best not taking what is said in the video as gospel but gives you an idea of what processes to follow and what bits to look for.
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think the bike has actually been dropped, more like it's been dropped against something. If it had hit a concrete floor you'd be looking at a broken mirror, bent handlebar and probably a crack in the plastics.

I wouldn't expect new replacement parts, that's a bit unrealistic; it's a 14 year old bike after all, not a shiny new 2012 model. I would expect and demand either compensation or a perfect repair/re-match to the original.


Is it against forum rules to post the name of the garage? I'm not sure what happened exactly but someone at that place is damaging bikes and pretending not to know anything about it.
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ninja_butler wrote:
I don't think the bike has actually been dropped, more like it's been dropped against something. If it had hit a concrete floor you'd be looking at a broken mirror, bent handlebar and probably a crack in the plastics.


Negative.

Flatmates bike was sat on and dropped, twice on both sides.

Came off relatively better than the OP...its been dropped, end of.
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Servicing & Problems Reply with quote

Wibbles wrote:
Oil+Filter, Chain cleaning / adjusting, "Standard Service" and both my wheels being replaced.


In what world is "Oil + filter, chain cleaning / adjusting" not already part of a "standard service"?

And hoping that you wouldn't notice or would be too much of a pussy to do anything about the drop damage? Really? Wow, that's pretty contemptuous. If that's how they treat a paying customer to your face, how good a job do you think they bothered to do on your bike?

You got mugged, plain and simple. Just another bunch of gouging footpads prepared to lose a long term customer to turn a quick profit.
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