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I've worked for them and they didn't do a CRB to my knowledge.
In fact, i think they let me "test ride" the scooter before even seeing my licence 
Unfortunately the slightly lax attitudes meant that i had to badger them abit to get repairs to the bike done. Fair to them though, they did do them.
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| CarlosCBR wrote: | Not totally sure but think either Pizza Hut or Dominos require you to have a full license to be a delivery boy now. |
I'm currently a Driver & Rider for Pizza hut.
Pizza Hut (company owned stores AND franchises) require CBT (initially paid for by them but taken out your wages) AND "Day 2 Training" (which Pizza Hut will pay for and will NOT take out your wages).
Day 2 is basically an extended CBT (bit like CBT equivalent of "Pass Plus" for driving).
Exceptions to this are as follows:
- Hold a current CBT already, only need to do the Day 2.
- Hold a full bike licence, do not require either CBT or Day 2.
I cannot remember if the "full bike licence" includes A1 light motorcycles as well, or if it is just A (restricted/unrestricted).
Day 2 MUST be done by a local Pizza Hut authorised training centre, usually that one centre will cover several stores in the area. If you do your CBT through pizza hut they will also make you do it through the same centre. The advantages of this are that you WILL get good quality training, they don't stand for slack CBT training centres.
Unsure on Dominos, but my friend who used to work their before i dragged him over to Pizza Hut, and he said since one of their scooter riders was killed the Dominos stores in Sheffield don't have bikes anymore, just driver-owned cars.
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Pizza Hut were taking on CBTers as recently as a year ago. They even put one of the chefs through a CBT so he could deliver on the bike (in a busy city, madness imo).
That said, they did give him an additional day of training, i take it this was their concession to arse-covering.
And £10/hour? More like £7, including tips. Then again, maybe Welsh people are stingier or something  |
I only did my CBT the other week, did my "Day 2" the next day, then was riding the day after that. In my first week there was rain, snow, wind. Sheffield is a busy city too, but it's what the other cars do when they don't see you that is the problem.
Did my first 2 shifts on the bike wearing the black Pizza Hut jacket & trousers and had 5 cars pull out on me in 2 nights, ever since those shifts I've worn a full length (with sleeves) hi-viz & reflective "THINK BIKE!" jacket that the riding instructor gave several to us, and have had one car pull out on me (because they were looking the other way). They don't look cool, but that's not really possible on a pizza moped anyway, at least they keep you seen.
They make a massive difference for the drivers who are lazy when they're looking, if someone is driving with their eyes closed they won't see you, but they'll spot you in that jacket if they're just not paying much attention.
Perhaps a little different as I have been driving for over 5 years, not sure if the "chef" you mention had any experience of driving/riding a vehicle on roads before. (It amuses me you call them a chef though... I wouldn't count putting sauce, cheese and pepperoni on a pizza chef-ing)
As for the CRB check and convictions etc, I did go to look in the workplace handbook but couldn't find it cos they only printed out the bit relevant to driving/riding (which is where I got the info above), rather than the whole 80-odd pages of all the other stuff like maternity leave, holiday, sick pay and all that jazz. |
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Was pretty dire when i did it back at uni.
You're experience of any pizza delivery job will be influenced by the area you work in. If its full of chavs and the like it will be horrible.
If its a well to do area it might be okay, and tips would be better.
Pizza Hut have the shite peogeot scooters which are a fucking liability.
On the plus you get to know the area well and when not avoiding robbery its piss easy 
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Take my hat off to you..
I deliver shopping in a van, usually daylight, sat-nav ect and sometimes that can be a bitch!
I'd say it's quite a high risk job though, fuck that
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| Ingah wrote: |
No experience at all of motor vehicles.
And yes, i concede 'chef' may not be an appropriate term for that job. Particularly because i did make a pizza or two myself, and i'd be a truly terrible 'chef'. |
In that case yeah not good to get someone out on the roads expecting them to drive recklessly and borderline dangerously in order to make the target delivery times.
I've made my fair share of horrendous pizzas when I first started, although they were all my own dinner, so that's ok. Been so busy over the last couple months with literally EVERYONE going home from uni we were so short staffed I was doing everything.
| TheDonUK wrote: | Was pretty dire when i did it back at uni.
You're experience of any pizza delivery job will be influenced by the area you work in. If its full of chavs and the like it will be horrible.
If its a well to do area it might be okay, and tips would be better.
Pizza Hut have the shite peogeot scooters which are a fucking liability.
On the plus you get to know the area well and when not avoiding robbery its piss easy |
Our delivery area in sheffield includes some of the nicest and some of the nastiest places in the city. You usually get fewer and smaller tips from the more "upmarket" areas though I've found. And my tips have gone down significantly since being on the mopeds... even in this freezing cold weather we've had.
The scooters are bad though, and all the new ones are 4-stroke which is a shame, the 2-strokes are much better and can get to nearly 50 if you try hard enough on the longest steepest hills. Shame it's quicker to get off and push when you're going back up the hill though |
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| bikertomm wrote: | Take my hat off to you..
I deliver shopping in a van, usually daylight, sat-nav ect and sometimes that can be a bitch!
I'd say it's quite a high risk job though, fuck that
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It's obviously higher risk than in a car, but there's measures to significantly reduce the risk.
- Increasing visibility. The hi-viz reflective jackets some of us wear means more cars see us in the day and at night. PROVEN by us to make a big difference. Hopefully that'll mean management provide everybody with them.
- Protective clothing. 80% of staff at our branch are union members too, and the union has fought and got brand new jackets/trousers with much better protection than the old kit. It did take a serious injury to get them replaced though. Still much worse kit at other stores.
- Common Sense - If it's icy, DON'T RIDE THE MOPED. Under Health and Safety LAW, an employee (me and you) are protected and we can REFUSE to carry out a task if we believe our health or wellbeing is at risk, and we CANNOT be punished or disciplined as a result. They cannot cut your work either, so long as you are prepared to perform other tasks that aren't dangerous. You might have to fight with management on that one, but fight hard because the LAW is on your side. If they try to discipline you or dismiss you, then they will lose so hard and fast at a tribunal it will make their head spin.
- Taking care of your kit. Pizza hut management say you HAVE to wear a pizza hut branded helmet and keep it in store. I say bollocks to that, I'll wear my own helmet and I'll take it home every night and keep it safe. Someone accidentally knocks a helmet off the shelf and onto the floor, that's it, it's useless in a crash. But are you gonna know it's damaged? They might just stick it back on the shelf and never mention it. If they're a rider, they should know better, but if they're in-store staff, they might not have any idea the helmet is now damaged and needs replacing.
Also everywhere (reputable) you refer to for helmet advice says NO SINGLE HELMET FITS EVERYONE, try loads on and choose the one that fits best. Nearly all riders in our store have their own helmet, our manager doesn't have a problem with that, its a head office thing, but sod em. |
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| Ben-B wrote: | | bikertomm wrote: | Take my hat off to you..
I deliver shopping in a van, usually daylight, sat-nav ect and sometimes that can be a bitch!
I'd say it's quite a high risk job though, fuck that
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It's obviously higher risk than in a car, but there's measures to significantly reduce the risk.
- Increasing visibility. The hi-viz reflective jackets some of us wear means more cars see us in the day and at night. PROVEN by us to make a big difference. Hopefully that'll mean management provide everybody with them.
- Protective clothing. 80% of staff at our branch are union members too, and the union has fought and got brand new jackets/trousers with much better protection than the old kit. It did take a serious injury to get them replaced though. Still much worse kit at other stores.
- Common Sense - If it's icy, DON'T RIDE THE MOPED. Under Health and Safety LAW, an employee (me and you) are protected and we can REFUSE to carry out a task if we believe our health or wellbeing is at risk, and we CANNOT be punished or disciplined as a result. They cannot cut your work either, so long as you are prepared to perform other tasks that aren't dangerous. You might have to fight with management on that one, but fight hard because the LAW is on your side. If they try to discipline you or dismiss you, then they will lose so hard and fast at a tribunal it will make their head spin.
- Taking care of your kit. Pizza hut management say you HAVE to wear a pizza hut branded helmet and keep it in store. I say bollocks to that, I'll wear my own helmet and I'll take it home every night and keep it safe. Someone accidentally knocks a helmet off the shelf and onto the floor, that's it, it's useless in a crash. But are you gonna know it's damaged? They might just stick it back on the shelf and never mention it. If they're a rider, they should know better, but if they're in-store staff, they might not have any idea the helmet is now damaged and needs replacing.
Also everywhere (reputable) you refer to for helmet advice says NO SINGLE HELMET FITS EVERYONE, try loads on and choose the one that fits best. Nearly all riders in our store have their own helmet, our manager doesn't have a problem with that, its a head office thing, but sod em. |
I wore my own helmet and own full bike kit, i would not have worn theirs even if they'd have forced the issue. Same for riding in the ice - didn't do it. Not once. Fortunately i didn't have any issues over any of this stuff.
Did just fine without a reflective jacket.
That said, didn't have target times forcibly thrust down my throat, so bar a potential legal issues such as shortcuts over pavements (safely ofc), didn't have to ride in a manner that was actually unsafe. Merely didn't hang about. This can easily be screwed up by an arse of a manager though - plenty of those about after all. Fortunately mine were sound for a good while, and i left when a naff manager spoiled things.
Still, wouldn't want to go back, because you did, naturally, pull overtakes you never would do on your own machine, and the pugs have absolutely zero to give if you need more.
Yes, those peogeot scooters are a total liability (both the ones i rode made at the most 35mph indicated on the flat) and made the job far more difficult than it needed to be. What i wouldn't have given to have them replaced by RXS100's or something suchlike
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| Ingah wrote: | I wore my own helmet and own full bike kit, i would not have worn theirs even if they'd have forced the issue. Same for riding in the ice - didn't do it. Not once. Fortunately i didn't have any issues over any of this stuff.
Did just fine without a reflective jacket.
That said, didn't have target times forcibly thrust down my throat, so bar a potential legal issues such as shortcuts over pavements (safely ofc), didn't have to ride in a manner that was actually unsafe. Merely didn't hang about. This can easily be screwed up by an arse of a manager though - plenty of those about after all. Fortunately mine were sound for a good while, and i left when a naff manager spoiled things.
Still, wouldn't want to go back, because you did, naturally, pull overtakes you never would do on your own machine, and the pugs have absolutely zero to give if you need more.
Yes, those peogeot scooters are a total liability (both the ones i rode made at the most 35mph indicated on the flat) and made the job far more difficult than it needed to be. What i wouldn't have given to have them replaced by RXS100's or something suchlike |
I've got my own kit already, but the hell if I'll ruin it for work... the pizza hut stuff is good enough for the truly pathetic speeds the peds can manage, I got a back protector vest I wear underneath, so that with the jacket means I'm about as well protected as if I was wearing my own stuff, only difference between the PH kit and mine is I don't mind getting flour and (food) oil or 2-stroke oil or other crap on theirs, I would get passionately enraged if I got it on mine though.
They daren't ask us to speed or drive dangerously, and they state in written procedures that we are to obey all traffic/road laws etc, but you do get questioned and pressured if you're taking too long.
Means some people might take that shortcut over the pavement and between the bollards in the road, might squeeze through that smallest of gaps when filtering in traffic (including between two trams, and there is about 1 inch either side of the handlebars if you do that).
No right turn? Meh, there's no cars about, that saves 2 minutes riding round the block.
Like you say though, you ride them on the limit. Pull out in traffic when there's a small gap, you better be sure that gaps big enough cos you don't have any more gas to give it if you're wrong. (I've discovered the hard way to leave about 100 metres when pulling out the car park if its the first delivery of the day. The 4-strokes are in the habit of suffering from an asthma attack halfway across the road, just as the car doing 30mph that you turned in front of catches you up at a closing speed of 28.5mph, and they expect you to get going if you pull out like that)
We can ride up to 125s on a CBT, so if they got a couple geared 125s that'd make life so much better, would also mean we can do 40/50/60mph on the roads in the area that have that speed limit. Should save a few minutes on a delivery if we're going right to the edge of the area. I know Dominos have some Honda Innovas, not the best 125s in the world, but a damn site better than a 50cc heap.
Ironically, 3 of my fellow hut workers are riding to Mali in the middle of Africa on some old Dominos Innovas in the Budapest-to-Bamako Rally. Domino's were willing to donate some bikes to people working for a rival company, Pizza Hut weren't willing to donate any to their own employees. |
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| Posted: 08:53 - 29 Jan 2012 Post subject: |
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Innova's are fine, infact perfect delivery bikes, you can hold you're own in traffic with them.
I dont know the reasoning behind 50cc peugeots...
You see the Dominoes/Topps riders in London, zipping around, just any other small 125, wheras the pizza hut ones are a liability, i always feel sorry for the riders when i happen upon one, trying to hold a central lane position with woefully lacking speed...
Definately a decision made by someone who has never had to ride them.
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| TheDonUK wrote: | I dont know the reasoning behind 50cc peugeots... |
Speed kills, so slow is safe?
Or it could be some liability tosh: if they can't break 30mph, then the riders can't be done for speeding - as you know, every time you exceed the limit, BRAKE has to kill a kitten. 
Seems like the sort of issue that the union should be taking an interest in. It would surely only take one H&S wonk to go out on a 'ped to discover why they're a KSI waiting to happen.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | TheDonUK wrote: | I dont know the reasoning behind 50cc peugeots... |
Speed kills, so slow is safe?
Or it could be some liability tosh: if they can't break 30mph, then the riders can't be done for speeding - as you know, every time you exceed the limit, BRAKE has to kill a kitten.
Seems like the sort of issue that the union should be taking an interest in. It would surely only take one H&S wonk to go out on a 'ped to discover why they're a KSI waiting to happen. |
Slow kills if you're trying to outrun the car you pulled out on 
Most likely due to cheap to buy, cheap to run, cheap to tax, cheap to insure, shit to ride, oh wait, management don't have to ride them, just pay for them, so what do they care as long as they make as much money as possible, at the expense of employees and customers.
Besides, speeding saves lives... true story... look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnf6ib823vM |
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