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DaveB
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Legality of tinted visor Reply with quote

Bought a new lid today, came with both clear and dark visors. Is it legal to use the tinted one? Only use it during the day of course.

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PostPosted: 18:48 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think the general consensus is:

Use it if you want to,

Don't ride like a prick / act silly towards police or they can be jobsworths and do you for it

Carry a spare (clear) one and your on your merry way Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Legality of tinted visor Reply with quote

DaveB wrote:
Bought a new lid today, came with both clear and dark visors. Is it legal to use the tinted one? Only use it during the day of course.

Cheers.


They are legal to buy and own. YOu cannot legally have one that blocks more then 30% of natural light however. If the visor was sold by a UK shop and the dark tint visor isn't stamped not for road use then it will be below 30% tint.

Generally though, road legal tint visors suck monkey balls though as they don't block enough sun when the sun is out in the height of summer but is enough to stop you riding comfortably when it starts to get dark.

Personally i'd either goto thevisorshop.com and get a proper tint one or bin it and just use the clear all the time.
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Legality of tinted visor Reply with quote

djr wrote:
They are legal to buy and own. YOu cannot legally have one that blocks more then 30% of natural light however. If the visor was sold by a UK shop and the dark tint visor isn't stamped not for road use then it will be below 30% tint.


I thought the figure was 50%.
https://www.access-legal.co.uk/legal-news/tintedark-visors-road-legal-lu-3362.htm
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Babba wrote:
They are known as RLAT & RLAC.


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PostPosted: 19:25 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technically illegal to ride on the road with one. However, I've ridden past/alongside/behind/in front of countless rozzers who have never pulled me over (for that offence).

In my experience *most* traffic police are reasonable and would rather you could see where you were going by whatever means suits you. Try using one after dark and they'll kick you in the shins though.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who cares about the legality? You'll look cool as fuck.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you bought a lid from a reputable shop it will be a <30% visor, which is legal whenever you like. But as said, they aint good enough in daylight, and are shit at night.
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use one most of the time. I generally find at night (in a well lit area) they help more because they reduce the glare from headlights.
Whether its over a hill, new ridiculously bright headlights which seem to be as bright as old main beam, the wanker who doesn't want to dip, or the twat who hasn't noticed its NOT foggy but decides to dazzle everyone anyway.
I can still see fine, and the only trouble I get is if it steams up in the cold or from my breath, which is worse than a fogged up clear visor.
(also they look awesome)
Mike

*Edit* I've also ridden past/with/overtaken/behind/infront of, and even pulled once and the visor never got me pulled/and was never mentioned the time I was.
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Legality of tinted visor Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
"Not for road use" or "Daytime use only" is irrelevant on visors. Unlike for exhausts, it has no meaning in law. What matters is that the visor has a BS4110 or E mark. No mark, illegal. Mark, legal.

I've noted a few times that there's no obvious way to verify whether a marked item actually does meet the required standard. My visor has a stuck on E13 label, so it was ostensibly tested in Luxembourg. How on earth would I check? And why should I? The presence of the mark is what matters as far as the law is concerned.

Incidentally, the label is peeling - the moment that it comes off, the visor becomes illegal. Shocked So to keep on the right side of the law, I should make up another one and stick it on, right?

So here's what you do. Buy any visor you like, look the other way while a Glamorous Assistant slaps an "E" sticker on it, and you're every bit as legal as anyone else wearing any E marked visor, regardless of tint or "you gonna die, sucka" marking on it.

Yes, if it's over 50% tint then it shouldn't be E marked, but that's not your problem, is it? Came that way, right?


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PostPosted: 21:46 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

The legal limit for a tint is very mild, to the extent that someone looking at you would be able to see your face fairly easily.

Whether the police will bother doing anything is another question.

All the best

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PostPosted: 22:21 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wear a blacked out visor, aside from the "cool" factor Laughing I find it helps a lot at this time of year. The sun is very low and it helps me see a lot better. However if it gets cloudy then it can get a bit dark. I carry round a clear visor in a visor bag which clips on my waist in case I get caught out in the dark. Never had any trouble with it.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe police are now being instructed to use "common sense" when it comes to tinted visors.

In the daytime, particularly when it's sunny, a polite warning is apparently to be used, and a fine in low vis or at night time etc.

If this does become consistent across the board, then I would imagine the police will live and let live on tinted visors in the day.

My opinion is that it's safer to wear a tinted visor than sunglasses anyway as you could just pop your visor up if it suddenly gets darker, then swap to the clear one you're carrying where it's safe... can't suddenly push your sunglasses up onto your head or remove them safely whilst on the move
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers guys.

The visor in question looks very dark when your trying to look in (you can't see in) but I was surprised that when on it made less of a difference than I thought it would, could see easily out. Illegal, yes I reckon, but am gonna use it as I like it Mr. Green then see if i get any unwanted attention....

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PostPosted: 23:19 - 28 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaveB wrote:
Cheers guys.

The visor in question looks very dark when your trying to look in (you can't see in) but I was surprised that when on it made less of a difference than I thought it would, could see easily out. Illegal, yes I reckon, but am gonna use it as I like it Mr. Green then see if i get any unwanted attention....

Dave


I'd just carry the clear one with you as well, if you get pulled for it, try to be polite and then the cops are more likely to be reasonable, say you thought it is safer and more comfortable riding with a tinted visor rather than sunglasses but you're happy to put the clear one on now and won't use the tinted one on the road again.

Then use the tinted one the next time anyway.
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PostPosted: 00:00 - 29 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always though that the tinted visors up to 30% are legal, but the iridium (mirror'd) ones are illegal due to glare toward other road users? Hmm
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 29 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any one ever been pulled for a visor?? ive riden with pitch black ones on my craft day and night and irridium ones on a shoei and never had a copper mention out about then when ive been pulled for a loud exhaust or speeding
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PostPosted: 00:18 - 29 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use the fucking search button. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 03:09 - 29 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

if it has the kite mark or a BS number anywhere then it is legal, no marks and its illegal though nobody cares about them anyway.
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PostPosted: 08:02 - 29 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice one guys, all good advice.

Sounds like a good plan Ben.

Ben-B wrote:


I'd just carry the clear one with you as well, if you get pulled for it, try to be polite and then the cops are more likely to be reasonable, say you thought it is safer and more comfortable riding with a tinted visor rather than sunglasses but you're happy to put the clear one on now and won't use the tinted one on the road again.

Then use the tinted one the next time anyway.

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PostPosted: 09:49 - 29 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i rode for years with a tinted visor

and never had a problem

i have tinted on my one lid all the time and use it on sunny days and have used it at night as it stops glare from cars

i used to have a smoked visor this was better at night as it was still okay to see through but took that bit of glare off the car lights and wet roads
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 29 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
I always though that the tinted visors up to 30% are legal, but the iridium (mirror'd) ones are illegal due to glare toward other road users? Hmm


Illegal is defined by statutes (or common law). I'm still not entirely sure what offence you'd actually be charged with if you were were riding with a jet black visor with no BSI/E mark and "PIGS <3 COCK" painted on it.

Any ideas? I'm not talking about any penalties for manufacturing or selling, I'm after the actual charge that would laid against the rider, and the tariff for it if you're found guilty.

I'd suggest that the chances of being prosecuted, let alone convicted, are somewhere between "sod all" and half of that.
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 29 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dean-J wrote:
if you bought a lid from a reputable shop it will be a <30% visor, which is legal whenever you like. But as said, they aint good enough in daylight, and are shit at night.


Who gave you the figure of 30%?

I have covered this several times but the legal limit is a minimum of 50% of ambient light must be capable of passing through the visor to obtain the BS4110 XA, YA or ZA accrediation and is legal to wear at anytime regardless of weather or lighting conditions.

A black race visor only allows 18% ambient light to pass through, and it was this we on the BSI committee were trying to get approved for road use a few years ago.

Whoever told you 30% clearly has no idea what they are talking about.
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 29 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I rode around with this helmet and this visor for over a year and was pulled over whilst wearing it at 11pm at night and it wasn't questioned:

https://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w182/OllieePaul/IMG_0730.jpg?t=1272862480.

I'd still be wearing it too if it wasn't smashed up in an accident.

My main helmet at the moment has a totally blacked out visor on, you cannot see in at all so it's also crazy illegal, still have never been questioned about it.

That makes over three years riding motorcycles on the road without once being questioned about my highly illegal visors. I think the general consensus is that as long as you don't give a reason for the Police to bother you about it (See "RLAT & RLAC" Wink) then they won't, I will continue to use them as they are very useful.

Also, it's totally legal to wear sunglasses that block out any amount of visible light under a clear visor, just so you know.

I will say though, if you do intend on riding at night with it or you may end up riding at night with such a tinted visor then be prepared by taking a clear visor with you in a backpack or around your waist under your jacket otherwise be prepared to ride with your visor up which can get really old, really fast whilst it is freezing cold. Laughing!

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