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Flemy
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Parking a bike... Reply with quote

Legal to do so anywhere apart from double yellows and red routes?

Like could I go and park in a pay and display bay without paying? Or in a hospital where they charge astronomical parking fees?
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: Parking a bike... Reply with quote

Flemy wrote:
Legal to do so anywhere apart from double yellows and red routes?

Like could I go and park in a pay and display bay without paying? Or in a hospital where they charge astronomical parking fees?


Sort of, depends if there's any other restrictions.

No.

No.

In that order.

Should technically only be parked in a motorcycle bay, or on a road where no other restrictions prohibit it.

In practise it seems to depend largely on your area. Parking in a pay and display bay on a bike is just thick as someone's bound to know it over. Personally I've never had a ticket by parking responsibly on the path/bicycle areas.
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sought clarification about parking in pay and display in my area without paying. The answer was it's OK as long as the bike is parked wholly within a parking bay or designated motorcycle parking area. Sinve there are no designated areas, a bay it has to be.
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only place I park normally is in a council pay and display (free ticket for upto an hour) in the bay, council pay and display motorcycle bay, or in a car bay if the bike pay is full, however after 6 the parking has no charges, or on a street in town which I don't think (or atleast hope it doesn't) has charges for bikes. Then also at college and work with no charge Laughing

How do parking attendants ticket bikes? Surely there is no where it can be reasonably fastened unlike a car windscreen wiper?
And what if the ticket is stolen? (same for cars really) You won't realise you've been ticketed and have your fine jacked up?
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: Parking a bike... Reply with quote

Flemy wrote:
Legal to do so anywhere apart from double yellows and red routes?

Like could I go and park in a pay and display bay without paying? Or in a hospital where they charge astronomical parking fees?



You should really put these questions to your local council's parking department and they'll give you a definitive answer, as honestly these parking restrictions vary wherever you are in the country or even within the same city or county.

Technically if you park on a pavement outside London where there are yellow lines you can still be done for parking on yellow lines as they apply to the pavement area too although pavement parking of bikes often alongside bicycle racks is commonly accepted in most areas - don't try it in London though as they'll be on you like a rash!

Pavement parking in itself is not against the 'law' outside London where there is a byelaw but a diligent parking officer could nonetheless issue a ticket if he felt you were causing an obstruction - or indeed if there was a local byelaw in place and/or signage put up specifically prohibiting it in a certain location.

Most of the time they'll turn a blind eye to a discreetly parked bike though.

Some councils do allow you to park in pay and display car bays free of charge, but check their websites before doing so.


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PostPosted: 10:21 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick__C wrote:

How do parking attendants ticket bikes? Surely there is no where it

Rubber band around the throttle grip.

If it's out of London, I'd generally park on the pavement where there's a bit of space, but not if it was for all day.
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never had the rubber band on the throttle, they seem to stick them on the tank, top box or screen for me!
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My local councils website (portsmouth) says all about parking restrictions for motorbikes. Basically saying that it is free as long as your in a marked bay for pay and display, and free on any road as long as its not on yellow lines.

Luckily my workplace also has free parking for bikes, as does my hospital and pretty much everywhere else I go Very Happy
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MY local shopping town shopping centre car park unofficially allows motorcycle parking in the "reserved" bays but still it annoys me that wherever I go there is seldom any provision made for bike parking, it's like town and city centre managers have a grudge against two-wheelers.

Sometimes I can ride around and around a town looking for somewhere to park and there's not a single spot anywhere within a mile radius of the shopping centre where motorcycle parking is allowed. Would it kill them to mark a parking bay for bikes? I mean, how many bikes and scooters can you get into the same space a car takes up?

I honestly believe there is a policy of "discouraging" motorcycles.




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PostPosted: 11:14 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ninja_butler wrote:
MY local shopping town shopping centre car park unofficially allows motorcycle parking in the "reserved" bays but still it annoys me that wherever I go there is seldom any provision made for bike parking, it's like town and city centre managers have a grudge against two-wheelers.

Sometimes I can ride around and around a town looking for somewhere to park and there's not a single spot anywhere within a mile radius of the shopping centre where motorcycle parking is allowed. Would it kill them to mark a parking bay for bikes? I mean, how many bikes and scooters can you get into the same space a car takes up?

I honestly believe there is a policy of "discouraging" motorcycles.




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It is a definite problem for bikers when you're in an area you don't know.

Personally i reckon they should have to make basic provisions on every other street, why not if they can devote an entire street's kerbside to car parking alone?

You're kind of forced to get creative and park in funny places on a bike.

Trouble is if they offered better parking they'd want to start charging us for it and that's not something I'd want!
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

And that's the thing - it's not that bikes are really being discriminated against, just not being given favourable treatment.
You can still park in a car bay and pay car prices.
With a pretty low percentage of regular daily bike riders outside of London, can quite understand people not wanting to make provisions.
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
And that's the thing - it's not that bikes are really being discriminated against, just not being given favourable treatment.
You can still park in a car bay and pay car prices.
With a pretty low percentage of regular daily bike riders outside of London, can quite understand people not wanting to make provisions.


Not where I live. The car parks in my area often have "no motorcycles" notices on the entry signs. I don't mind parking in a regular bay but it's a nuisance trying to display a ticket (and people do steal them) and I'm always worried that someone is going to plow straight into my bike because they'll think it's an empty space.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok; in most places. I suspect that often the 'no motorcycles' rules came about from bikes not paying. Though in some cases may well have been moaning car drivers.

Oh and similar issues for my (pretty low and generally small) kit car - ticket could just as easily be stolen and someone may not see it.
So, I demand kit car specific parking! Smile
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just think a degree of leniency for bike parking is in order given the disinterest in providing spaces in convenient places.
Provided the bike isn't causing an obstruction and is parked in a reasonable way leave it alone would be my personal approach, but then I don't work in parking services who obviously have a revenue raising agenda!
In most areas just parking alongside a bicycle rack is considered ok and I don't see anything unacceptable with this.
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never had a problem in Reading parking on the pavement, next to push bike racks etc, even though there were dedicated motorbike parking bays.
Also rode up a pedestrianised area and parked right outside the shop I wanted to go to when I was on crutches.
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

In London it depends what borough:

https://www.motorcycleparking.com/parking_london.shtml
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheeseybeaner wrote:
Never had the rubber band on the throttle, they seem to stick them on the tank, top box or screen for me!


They stuck a ticket to my mirror in Westminster a couple of months ago (annoying because I had an annual pre-paid ticket, their shitty website was down that morning and I couldn't transfer my permit to my other bike... I was meant to try again lunchtime but forgot - the bastard ticket reminded me when I got back to the bike though. Wankers)
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: Parking a bike... Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Personally I've never had a ticket by parking responsibly on the path/bicycle areas.


I have Sad Well I didn't see it as a bad place to park, obviously the parking warden didn't agree.


Nick__C wrote:
How do parking attendants ticket bikes? Surely there is no where it can be reasonably fastened unlike a car windscreen wiper?
And what if the ticket is stolen? (same for cars really) You won't realise you've been ticketed and have your fine jacked up?


Like in this image.

I didn't think that was an unreasonable place to park considering that I was in the bank (the building the woman is walking out of). The bollard restricts most prams from going through it (except the small, thin, ones), but people virtually always walk around that bollard anyway due to the extremely large amount of path on the other side of it. It was also at a very quiet time of the day.

Somebody pointed out about how it may affect blind people, but arguably so could the table and chairs for the cafe not 100m up the street, or any of the market stalls. Or even the bollard itself.

In hindsight I would go back, be a cock, and park in front of the Renault.
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick__C wrote:


How do parking attendants ticket bikes? Surely there is no where it can be reasonably fastened unlike a car windscreen wiper?
And what if the ticket is stolen? (same for cars really) You won't realise you've been ticketed and have your fine jacked up?


You'd just have to appeal on the grounds that the PCN wasn't present on the vehicle and you haven't been given the chance to pay the lower rate fine. Of course they'll probably have an image of it anyway but that's not to say they won't allow you the chance to pay the lower fine if they believe what you say is credible.
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 02 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always found parking a difficult subject because most carparks don't mention anything about bikes on signs but do on websites!

What is the point in writing it on a website when we are unaware trying to find a space!

Parking on the path ect - from what I gather, it seems to depend on the views of the council that you're in or even the mood of the traffic wardens at the time.
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 03 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

goto10 wrote:
Cheeseybeaner wrote:
Never had the rubber band on the throttle, they seem to stick them on the tank, top box or screen for me!


They stuck a ticket to my mirror in Westminster a couple of months ago (annoying because I had an annual pre-paid ticket, their shitty website was down that morning and I couldn't transfer my permit to my other bike... I was meant to try again lunchtime but forgot - the bastard ticket reminded me when I got back to the bike though. Wankers)


Hope you didn't pay it! The amount of times I've forgotten to switch my permit only and just sent them a challenge 'fessing up to it. Only ever once been turned down, and they decided to cancel that when I elected for a tribunal hearing.
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 03 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Parking attendants are total jobsworths so don't think that because where you have parked is reasonable doesn't mean they won't give you a ticket.

I now park in private car parks such as NCP ones etc. No clamping in Scotland, make sure I've chained my bike to something and anything they send me gets filed in the bin.

I got out of the council ticket I got because my motorcycle had conveniently broken down outside my uni and had to be recovered. Dance!
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 03 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluezedd wrote:
Parking attendants are total jobsworths so don't think that because where you have parked is reasonable doesn't mean they won't give you a ticket.

I now park in private car parks such as NCP ones etc. No clamping in Scotland, make sure I've chained my bike to something and anything they send me gets filed in the bin.

I got out of the council ticket I got because my motorcycle had conveniently broken down outside my uni and had to be recovered. Dance!


Clamping is outlawed in Scotia?
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 03 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: Parking a bike... Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Flemy wrote:
Legal to do so anywhere apart from double yellows and red routes?

Like could I go and park in a pay and display bay without paying? Or in a hospital where they charge astronomical parking fees?


Sort of, depends if there's any other restrictions.

No.

No.

In that order.

Should technically only be parked in a motorcycle bay, or on a road where no other restrictions prohibit it.

In practise it seems to depend largely on your area. Parking in a pay and display bay on a bike is just thick as someone's bound to know it over. Personally I've never had a ticket by parking responsibly on the path/bicycle areas.



Legal or not I have parked in a car park several times that required payment upon entering. However a bike is narrow enough to go through the barriers.

Ive also parked my bike on a pavement in the middle of a city. The pavement was very wide and I parked it in front of a post which helped provide security too! Never had any problems but I also never left my bike in such places for very long. Parking on a pavement isnt the safest place for a bike even if it is locked to a post. Just use common sense really, dont cause obstruction and dont park in clearly prohibited areas such as yellow lines, bus lanes, dogging areas etc.
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 05 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over here (Isle of Man), my area has a parking permit system for residents. Now I have only recently bought a 125 and currently only have a provisional licence. So I was in the process of applying for one of these residents permits, only to discover that on the application form it states that they are not available to provisional licence holders. So, I thought, where the hell do they expect me to park my bike?

So I sent them en email explaining my predicament and received a reply that said that I was correct and was not entitled to a permit on a provisional licence but, if I parked my bike at an angle and moved it regularly (they didn't state how regular though Question ) then I should be okay. They also gave me the phone number of the parking supervisor for my area, should I have any problems.

Now to myself, I cannot understand their logic in denying provisional licence holders a permit, nor did I receive anything in their reply to justify this. Like I don't need to park my bike on a provisional!

However, a week in and I have not had a ticket yet and the parking attendants round here are sh*t hot.
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