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healamp beat you to it. 
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| c-m wrote: | No he didn't, he posted an hour later than me.  |
14 is more than 13, riiiiight. Good job I don't work with numbers or dates or times for a living. 
Well in that case, +1 Informative for you, and a repost (which will doubtless go in General Bike Chat as well when someone dupes it there):
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By bike type:
Sector Dec-11 Dec-10 % |YTD 2011 YTD 2010 %
Total Mopeds 719 608 +18.3 | 14,448 14,523 -0.5
Scooter 947 641 +47.7 | 18,962 15,795 +20.1
Trail/Enduro 255 247 +3.2 | 4,085 4,686 -12.8
Naked 617 512 +20.5 | 16,800 17,838 -5.8
Sport/Tour 140 182 -23.1 | 5,083 7,518 -32.4
Supersport 404 358 +12.8 | 12,851 14,257 -9.9
Touring 88 88 0.0 | 2,776 3,248 -14.5
Custom 247 240 +2.9 | 7,866 8,301 -5.2
Adventure Sport 512 325 +57.5 | 10,570 9,308 +13.6
Unspecified 26 14 +85.7 | 408 448 -8.9
Total Motorcycles 3,236 2,607 +24.1 | 79,401 81,399 -2.5
M/C excluding Scooters 2,289 1,966 +16.4 | 60,439 65,604 -7.9
Total Two Wheelers 3,955 3,215 +23.0 | 93,849 95,922 -2.2
By manufacturer:
Rank Year End % change year end % change year end
2011 11 vs 10 2010 10 vs 09 2009
1 Honda 14639 +8.8 13460 -14.1 15672
2 Yamaha 11133 -24.6 14767 -19.8 18415
3 Triumph 7854 +3.8 7564 +1.5 7450
4 BMW 5920 -11.7 6705 +12.3 5973
5 Piaggio 5273 -0.7 5309 -18.9 6548
6 Suzuki 5260 -31.3 7659 -32.0 11271
7 Kawasaki 5123 -6.3 5468 -27.3 7519
8 Harley-Davidson 3727 -13.3 4300 -14.6 5035
9 SYM 2641 +58.2 1669 +0.3 1664
10 KTM 2421 +11.1 2179 -7.6 2357
11 Ducati 2345 +15.3 2033 +6.2 1915
12 Lexmoto 2266 +269.1 614 +433.9 115
13 Peugeot 2210 +45.2 1522 -25.0 2029
14 Aprilia 1999 -9.1 2198 -28.9 3090
15 Pulse 1494 +106.9 722 +19.1 606
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Honda and Yamaha are doing OK from their 125s and scooters, but only in number of registrations. I'd be more interested in the total value of sales.
Triumph and BMW probably have decent margins, but Suzuki and Kawasaki, oh dear. Suzuki's sales have more than halved in 2 years (and 2009 was a bad year to begin with) - no wonder they're having a fire sale at the moment. 
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Maybe, although I'm not quite sure how bikes get classified. Personally I'd be concerned about spares availability for unpopular bikes.
Then I look at the SV650, Gladius and Bandit and wonder why anyone would passionately want one of them over the other, enough to win or lose a sale. They strike me as bikes that you buy because they're in your budget and do a similar job to within about 10% of each other. And that's just within the Suzuki range, let alone competing with the other manufacturers.
As a bit of editorial, it's BMW's 2012 launch day today. I was pondering tooling along to the local Motorrad, then looked out the window to see driving sleet. Trying to drive sales in the depths of the UK winter seems like the triumph of hope over experience, or common sense.
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It probably about time we see manufacturers specialise rather then be a jack of all trades. We don't really need 4 Japanese companies making the same bikes as each other in every class.
European manufacturers tend to be smaller and so stick to specific areas, though more lately we've seen KTM and BWM expand into other areas.
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| Polarbear wrote: | Why make 3 bikes basically aimed at the same purchaser. Maybe a naked SV/gladius and a faired bike but 3 different with all the various combinations just strikes me as stupid. |
Well, they have the GSX650F as well (Bandit in a frock).
Whatever the reason for the strategy, it isn't working.
New registrations by brand, January 2012
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MAJOR MANUFACTURERS BY BRAND
Honda 869
Yamaha 535
Piaggio 349
Triumph 238
Kawasaki 234
Lexmoto 197
Suzuki 179
KTM 169
BMW 156
SYM 156
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And that's with their £600 - £1000 off offer that pushed them up to #2 when they ran it last September.
OK, January is the slowest month, and sales are likely mostly scooters and 125s, but if they can't shift bikes at by far the lowest sticker prices (and thus margins) of any Japanese manufacturer, then, well... shades of George White.
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Are you proposing deciding default innocent and guilt based on the consequences to each party? Surely not, I must be mistaken. 
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Hi
Figures just based on the cyclist / pedestrian death figures. Suspect many of which are from use of the pavements.
For 2010 that was 4 pedestrians kills and 76 seriously injured, for cars the figures are 237 and 3934. But as cars did 78 times as many vehicle miles, that means cyclists kill 28% more pedestrians and serious injure 50% more per vehicle mile (let alone per passenger mile).
Now I do have some sympathy with the idea of respect, but there are many cyclists whose behavior does not engender any respect (just as there are pedestrians, drivers, motorcyclists, bus drivers, etc). And while there are that significant number any idea of an assumption of fault based on the mode of transport of the people involved is pretty abhorrent.
Looking at the figures the Netherlands has a pedestrian death rate of 3.8 per million population compared to the UKs 8.5 (2009 figures) which appears pretty good, but looking at the child figures the rates are 3.1 and 2.4 respectively which suggests most of those UK pedestrians killed are adults (and old enough to know better). One of the countries in Europe with lowest child pedestrian death rate is Italy with 1.9 deaths per million population, a country hardly known for its forgiving drivers .
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| Kickstart wrote: | cyclists kill 28% more pedestrians and serious injure 50% more per vehicle mile |
My, my, and The Man wants to get more of us on pushbikes? (he said, laughing as he looked out the window at the driving sleet)
It'd be interesting to know how many of the UK's pedestrian casualties (from all causes) were drunk or 'tarded or on benefits. When I used to drive through the Pollock sink estate, it was like playing a game of GTA with all the drunken 'tarded spongers strutting straight across the road without looking or caring. Nothing to lose, essentially.
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| Kickstart wrote: | Hi
Figures just based on the cyclist / pedestrian death figures. Suspect many of which are from use of the pavements.
For 2010 that was 4 pedestrians kills and 76 seriously injured, for cars the figures are 237 and 3934. But as cars did 78 times as many vehicle miles, that means cyclists kill 28% more pedestrians and serious injure 50% more per vehicle mile (let alone per passenger mile).
Now I do have some sympathy with the idea of respect, but there are many cyclists whose behavior does not engender any respect (just as there are pedestrians, drivers, motorcyclists, bus drivers, etc). And while there are that significant number any idea of an assumption of fault based on the mode of transport of the people involved is pretty abhorrent.
Looking at the figures the Netherlands has a pedestrian death rate of 3.8 per million population compared to the UKs 8.5 (2009 figures) which appears pretty good, but looking at the child figures the rates are 3.1 and 2.4 respectively which suggests most of those UK pedestrians killed are adults (and old enough to know better). One of the countries in Europe with lowest child pedestrian death rate is Italy with 1.9 deaths per million population, a country hardly known for its forgiving drivers .
All the best
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The per mile argument may be slightly disingenuous in this case, per hour could be an equally easily chosen metric (due to the types of journey completed by bicycle) and would skew the figures in completely the opposite direction. But interesting figures nonetheless.
As a guess the Italian system 'works' because people pay attention - people expect mopeds to head down the pavements or to scythe through traffic. It highlights the failure in the UK system where everyone drives/rides/walks on auto pilot. Probably a great example of risk compensation...
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