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PostPosted: 21:00 - 05 Feb 2012    Post subject: Does Blackmail actually ever work? Reply with quote

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Thinking back to when I was an employee, I knew the dirty and illegal secrets my boss was running. I had evidence as well. Dirty secrets which would have amounted to a lot of prison time.

Six years later in a quiet Feb evening I'm wondering why I never blackmailed him over it... since he had so much to lose and would have paid handsomely to keep his dirty secrets secret. Obviously I can't now a days even if I wanted to.

My question is does blackmail actually ever work? I'm not on about the ethics of it. But I'm thinking I had him over a barrel and £5000 maybe £10,000 a year for my silence would have been very nice.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 05 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would not exist if it did not work, but sometimes buying silence, is your silence that is bought. Idea Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 05 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

5 to 10k a year!

A lot cheeper to make someone vanish.
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 05 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you hear fatpies was killed in a hit and run? Terrible accident...

Depends who's nastier really, and if he's got a lot to lose...
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 05 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends entirely on the situation.

A nobody blackmailing someone who knows who each other is, then you might get killed.

Someone famous blackmailing someone else would probably get reported and ruin their career.

Only way to do it and it work would be anonymously. But yeh, £5k-£10k could be a lot to one person and nothing to another.

If it was me, I would want someone wealthy to make a one off payment and for me to disappear.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 05 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hex wrote:
5 to 10k a year!

A lot cheeper to make someone vanish.


"To be opened in the event of my death"

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PostPosted: 22:52 - 05 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bazza wrote:
Hex wrote:
5 to 10k a year!

A lot cheeper to make someone vanish.


"To be opened in the event of my death"

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You know that only works in the movies right?

Even if it did work, you'd have the last laugh, but still be dead... Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 05 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hex wrote:
5 to 10k a year!

A lot cheeper to make someone vanish.


Yep, but nowhere near enough to guarantee the disappearance wouldn't come back on the payee...
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PostPosted: 04:29 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you have expressed a financial motive, it impairs your credibility in the event of a claim.
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PostPosted: 07:31 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

plugger147 wrote:
Hex wrote:
5 to 10k a year!

A lot cheeper to make someone vanish.


Yep, but nowhere near enough to guarantee the disappearance wouldn't come back on the payee...


This is true, but the amount is also not enough to justify having to live looking over your shoulder everyday for the rest of your life.
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

<Warped>Best if I don't go into details</Warped> but I'd suggest that your ask needs to be less than the price of any moderately competent lawyer.
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

People assume that it's really easy to hire someone to "make someone disappear", like it's a viable option in everyday life. There's paying "Razor" the crackhead to do it, but I doubt he's going to cover his tracks very well or resist the urge to squeal when the cops put some heat on him, least of all because he has some crack to get on smoking.

I think I have some contacts I could tap to make it happen, but it would not be cheap, and the trouble is they may well take my money and not carry out "the hit", as one guy I have in mind has been known to debt collect for people then keep the cash - £30k last time I cared to listen. And given that the guy didn't have the stones to collect in person himself, what's he really going to do against the guy he hired to get his money back? Go to the cops?! So yeah, finding someone of the right calibre to do a job like that I don't think is as easy as people seem to make out - and in any case, are you not then opening yourself up to blackmail opportunitys then? What if the guy gets nabbed for a botched job and decides to make the judge a bit lenient on him by revealing the details of his last job that you hired him for?

Nah, you want something doing, you need to do it yourself, just need some trusty garroting wire, a shovel and a 12" black rubber dildo and you're all set.

Blackmail doesn't really work because sure he might pay you one time, but then whats to stop you coming back and saying the rates have gone up? I think it would only ever work in a scenario where the mark really doesn't have much choice, and I think situations like that are probably few and far between.


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PostPosted: 12:36 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Price for taking someone out from what I have seen is fairly cheap if it is for monetary gain. £20k for amateur and £50k for a professional.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty cheap huh?

How many people have £50k laying around spare to deal with potential blackmailers, and hell thats just the one, what if a few people are in the know?

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PostPosted: 12:54 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhostRider wrote:
Pretty cheap huh?

How many people have £50k laying around spare to deal with potential blackmailers, and hell thats just the one, what if a few people are in the know?

GhostRider


I mean in regards of business. Not sure why else you would want to kill someone for less than an amount where 50k seems negligible.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhostRider wrote:
Pretty cheap huh?

How many people have £50k laying around spare to deal with potential blackmailers, and hell thats just the one, what if a few people are in the know?

GhostRider


I see a bigger problem, in that yes you've gotten rid of one blackmailer. But now you've got another potential blackmailer as well, who probably has you under soliciting for murder.
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Blackmail doesn't really work because sure he might pay you one time, but then whats to stop you coming back and saying the rates have gone up? I think it would only ever work in a scenario where the mark really doesn't have much choice, and I think situations like that are probably few and far between.


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Some folk near me tried it on somebody who was having an affair, they got a few grand out of him fairly easily, then went back with the old "the price has gone up " piece

he went to the fuzz, they when to prison for between 8 - 10 yrs

like GR said unless its murder of something like that then surely it would be better to come clean and be a bit embarrassed then bend over take it off a blackmailer
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
Price for taking someone out from what I have seen is fairly cheap if it is for monetary gain. £20k for amateur and £50k for a professional.

Just so we're clear, that guy you know, who say he knows a guy? He doesn't know that guy.
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
The Artist wrote:
Price for taking someone out from what I have seen is fairly cheap if it is for monetary gain. £20k for amateur and £50k for a professional.

Just so we're clear, that guy you know, who say he knows a guy? He doesn't know that guy.


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PostPosted: 15:14 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol. Talking like there's a menu with fixed prices and shit! Laughing

Go with the pro, he offers a guarantee. And he's unionised too, which is nice. Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pfft £50k? I know someone who will do it for £10 and a Bacon Sandwich. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:
GhostRider wrote:
Pretty cheap huh?

How many people have £50k laying around spare to deal with potential blackmailers, and hell thats just the one, what if a few people are in the know?

GhostRider


I see a bigger problem, in that yes you've gotten rid of one blackmailer. But now you've got another potential blackmailer as well, who probably has you under soliciting for murder.


Yeah I mentioned that in my 1st post.

For £10 and a bacon sandwich I think you'll get a half hearted effort to break a bottle over the guys head, followed by the "hitman" soiling himself and wondering where he's next heroin is coming from.

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