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PostPosted: 17:23 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Skydiving Reply with quote

I know there's a few people on here who are into skydiving/parachuting and I'm looking for some advice.

I want to do a tandem skydive this year, where should I be looking and how much should I expect it to cost?
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: Skydiving Reply with quote

TQ wrote:
I know there's a few people on here who are into skydiving/parachuting and I'm looking for some advice.

I want to do a tandem skydive this year, where should I be looking and how much should I expect it to cost?
Somewhere close to where you live?

And IIRC about ~£250 without pics etc.
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: Skydiving Reply with quote

The adverts at the bottom of this page advertise them for £150 and £155 Smile.

Fatpies and Miss Ed are the two that have been really in to it, not sure about others.
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did indoor Skydiving at AirKix a couple of weeks back - that was good fun for the money. I think after that experience though I realised I'm just not any good at falling over from anything other than my own height Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best place to do it is Skydive Spain in Seville. They are having an offer at the minute 165 Euro. Also if you're a groupon member you can do a SL jump from 5000ft for £99 at Peterlee. Saunders lives at Peterlee though and I always want to punch him out.



In Seville you get 15000ft, and Jonno will invariably say to you, why do a tandem? Why don't you do your level 1 AFF for 180 Euro instead. At which you'll get sucked into it. Abandon your job and go out there and do it full time. 9/10 of their staff wanted to do a tandem, did an AFF1 and decided to sell up and move out there. If you go there say howdy to Barbie, Ghey Pete (with the pink BMW with a my little pony on the bonnet) and keep away from the office girl. She'll sleep with anyone.... except she is a he.... a VERY convincing she as well.

I wouldn't jump in the UK if I could help it tbh, near to you are numerous dropzones, tbh they all cost about the same. The thing is they will all put different prices because some will include the BPA membership, some will not.

Near you is: (if your map location is correct)

Tillstock - home to a 206 which can theoretically go to 12000ft but never does, they usually go to 10,000ft. Buzz the CI is a safety Nazi and will only ONLY jump in perfect blue skies. I.e. you'll be sit in Agne's cafe all day and night. I have little love for Buzz as he's a psychopath. One of those people who pretends to be your mate to find things to use against you.

South Cerney, its on a military base, sparse things to do other than a drinks machine which is always empty. Blue haired girl called Hannah is effectively the DZO. Go to 15K, use a Airvan it is slow to altitude. It is not proper military like Netheravon

Hinton is your best bet. PAC750, big spacious fast 13000ft altitude tandem mill.

Langar is deceptively close, but its not its actually an hour from Nottingham centre. But they go to 12000ft and are generally nice guys.

arry wrote:
Did indoor Skydiving at AirKix a couple of weeks back - that was good fun for the money. I think after that experience though I realised I'm just not any good at falling over from anything other than my own height Laughing


Tunnel flying is much much different to real flying. Tunnel flying is actually harder. Skygods often can't fly in the tunnel. Paul veteran of about 7000 skydives had a go. He spent 2 minutes rotation bouncing off the walls. He wouldn't talk to us about it all day. I'm equally as bad in the tunnel as I am in the air. The air is a bit more forgiving though!


But as said try jump OUTSIDE the UK. As said I live here but refuse to jump here. UK jumping seriously isn't fun. All UK DZs are run by ex military types and there is lots of shouting and ripping into people. Such that the BPA has a 100% turn over rate of A and B certs. That includes me. Alternative dropzones in Europe are:

Skydive Ocana - Madrid (13500ft PC6)

Empuriabrava, biggest DZ in southern Europe (fly to Girona or Barca) (PC-6) (Skyvan, twin otter)

Gap Tallard - hard to get to though. (PC6) incredible views.... when its not foggy.

OJB Parachutisme, in Mimizan - You go there and you feel like you're family. Again incredible views. The plane is horrendously cramped they have PC6 rated for 14 people. It is a squeeze with 9 people let alone 14.

Texel - North of Amsterdam. You can get a train/bus there from Schipol dirt cheap. Amazing views as its on an Island.
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW who wants a skydiving job?

https://www.skydiving.co.uk/employment.htm

Hibaldstow is an OK DZ. Not fantastic and not as good as any European or US DZ. But wayy easy going place.
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tunnel flying is much much different to real flying. Tunnel flying is actually harder. Skygods often can't fly in the tunnel. Paul veteran of about 7000 skydives had a go. He spent 2 minutes rotation bouncing off the walls. He wouldn't talk to us about it all day. I'm equally as bad in the tunnel as I am in the air. The air is a bit more forgiving though!


That's interesting. I'd have thought it'd be the other way round, ie the tunnel is more controlled.
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpies what is your level 1 aff and what does it allow you to do? any links to info? always wanted to skydive bit im one of those that would rather splash out on a first level qualification than just a one off affair

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PostPosted: 23:31 - 06 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

thomp1983 wrote:
fatpies what is your level 1 aff and what does it allow you to do? any links to info? always wanted to skydive bit im one of those that would rather splash out on a first level qualification than just a one off affair

chris


Level 1 AFF - 4 hours of ground school, two paper tests (which you cannot fail).

You then go through the skydive plan, which is go to the door, stand one foot on the edge of the door. Primary instructor holds on to your left arm and your left leg. Secondary holds onto your right arm and right leg.

Look down, check your spot (where you land) turn to the left primary and shout CHECK IN! ~ He will shout CHECK IN. Turn to your right. SHOUT CHECK OUT~ He will shout CHECK OUT.

At which you jump.

or get thrown out if you chicken out, Major Horne at Seville is notorious for throwing people out.

From 15000ft you have 62 seconds to do your exercises.

The instructors will take you to a stable position.

You look at your wrist altimeter check the altitude and turn and shout to the instructor on the left shout the alttitude (its for show as they can't hear you) and look at their hand signals to adjust your body position.

You do the same for the right hand side.

you then have to perform arch reach recover to your BoC hackey or your plastic tube. Touch it grab it (arm out ahead of you to compensate for your arm going back) three times. Final time you pull your handle and vanish.

You then fly to the holding area, circle till you get to 2000ft and perform your landing pattern. 99% of the time your instructors will open wayy below you (AFF1s open at 5000ft) land and talk you down on the radio.

If you are good, and finish your exercises before 6000ft, the instructors will let go of you. Cool


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

In reality:

You cack your pants as you approach the door thinking what the hell am I doing. You go out the door (or are chucked out if you chicken out) and spend the next ten seconds thinking OH MY..... Shocked what have I just done Surprised Surprised Surprised Surprised Surprised then your instructor boinks you on the head to make you do your exercises.

Here is a good video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHnwq-ZlQmA

It's of Al at Cark with Chickey and Kier (Ian Chick and Keiron Hayes). Cark is one of my favorite dropzones in the world. But because they are BPA, I'm no longer allowed there anymore. They use the PAC750 which you can see has low wings. It means you have to superman out of it.

On the G92 you spin on your toe out. On the PC6 you kneel and roll out. Al quit back in August.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 07 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks fatpies that's given me something to look into.

I'm based on the Shropshire/Worcestershire border, having done some very basic research yesterday I stumbled upon somewhere in Whitchurch, are you familiar with it?

I'm looking to do it cheaply, easily and most of all safely. Basically strap me to someone else and get them to jump out of a plane and I'm happy.
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 07 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paper tests?

Since when?

Whats the point if you can't fail them?
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 07 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS - I'd go to a smaller friendlier (ie Dunkerswell) DZ over the larger plained big Tandem factories (Hinton/NLPC).

Jump an Islander or a Beaver- much more fun than Turbo Let if this is an one off...
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 07 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TQ wrote:
Thanks fatpies that's given me something to look into.

I'm based on the Shropshire/Worcestershire border, having done some very basic research yesterday I stumbled upon somewhere in Whitchurch, are you familiar with it?

I'm looking to do it cheaply, easily and most of all safely. Basically strap me to someone else and get them to jump out of a plane and I'm happy.


Yup thats Tilstock, doesn't even look like a drop zone. Its a couple of portacabins welded together. It's a safe place to jump as Buzz is a safety Nazi. Tillstock has the minor problem of being the lowest drop altitude second only to Headcorn (headcorn is in restricted airspace) of 10,000ft. If you do jump there ask for Tony Lightfoot. He's a small beardy guy and thus falls slowly. Buzz isn't fun to jump with as TI as firstly Buzz is massive and thus falls very very quickly.

There is no AFF at Tilstock though, as most AFFIs consider it to be way too low before opening altitude. There is RAPS though at Tilstock and its pretty cheap at Tilly as well.

TBH I'd go Hinton or South Cerney, you get way more altitude a nicer aircraft (they load the airvan with less people as the RAF subs South Cerney's fuel) which is faster to altitude (remember the bit I said about Buzz? You'll have HIM crushing you in the 40 minute ride to altitude. While sure you may get crushed on the Hinton Pac750. It gets up there fast.
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 07 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have to weight ratio the TM's to students... so you can't really choose your hero for the day.

It is what put me off not TM'ing myself - I'd get all the fat fucks.
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 07 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you do end up going for AFF, definitely go for somewhere with good chances of good weather, from my experience.

It was just under 3 months after doing my initial training that I actually did the jump.
Think it was the fourth time I'd been booked in to. Unfortunately, I'd moved after having booked it, so a 200 mile journey there.
Also, while I'd made an effort to get all the stuff fresh in my mind, that time I'd made less effort as it'd been a waste all the other times, etc.

Felt a bit airsick on the way up. Messed up the exercises and couldn't even properly find the release cord, so had to have one of them pull it for me. We went through some patchy cloud on the way down too.
What worried me most was that I wasn't really that worried - but logical mind says instructors holding on to me, know what they're doing. Had twisted lines, but did remember how to get out of that, at least.
At least, despite being shouted at loads, my landing was pretty good - probably the closest to the clubhouse of my group and a bit of a dip down, but pretty good for a first time apparently*.

*But having done a day's paragliding five yeas prior did help as it's similar skills.
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 07 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MissEd wrote:
Paper tests?

Since when?

Whats the point if you can't fail them?



Since ages ago, even the USPA has some sort of exam between each licence category.

Effectively it tests if you remember the ground school stuff. If you get it wrong you can correct it until you get it right.

Sort of like Ch1 and CH2, where most DZs just have an answer sheet for you to copy onto the exam paper. And woo suddenly you're a canopy expert.

MissEd wrote:
PS - I'd go to a smaller friendlier (ie Dunkerswell) DZ over the larger plained big Tandem factories (Hinton/NLPC).

Jump an Islander or a Beaver- much more fun than Turbo Let if this is an one off...



Dunks is massive these days. They have two Beech 99s these days. Since Weston went bust. They absorbed all their staff and skydivers. Islanders and beavers? Nobody uses them anymore. The UK is filled with Airvans and 206s these days. With the odd G92, PC6 and 208.
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 07 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha - it has been 9 years since I was involved and 8 since I last did a crappy jump.

Things just get shittier as the years go on.. like bike tests and theory etc.

Bah
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 07 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always wanted to try skydiving, the sound of trodding over to Spain, staying with a family friend over there for a while and doing an AFF1 whilst over there sounds appealing.

As for Dunkeswell, I used to race there and on practice/race day you'd see hundreds of people dropping all through the day, who knows, may have seem some of you? Laughing!
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 08 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
I've always wanted to try skydiving, the sound of trodding over to Spain, staying with a family friend over there for a while and doing an AFF1 whilst over there sounds appealing.

As for Dunkeswell, I used to race there and on practice/race day you'd see hundreds of people dropping all through the day, who knows, may have seem some of you? Laughing!


AFF1 means AFF level 1 you understand? There are 8 levels you have to pass them all, and then do ten jumps, eight canopy exercises and land within 50 metres of the big X then a paper exam before you get handed you A licence.

You can read about the levels here:

https://www.affschool.com/8_levels.cfm

Kieron Hayes is a very good guy. Ian Chick less so.
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