Equal pay for equal work

[smegballs]

Two twin brothers go to work at the same job. They are employed to move bricks from one pile to another. Assume that the job is equal, same distance between piles etc etc.

They both clock in and out simultaneously. Both do a 4 hour solid shift. At the end of the shift they have both worked 4 hours each, Brother A has moved 200 brick, Brother B has moved 150.

Do the brother deserve equal pay, as they have both worked for the same amount of time? Or Does brother A deserve more money as he has been more productive?

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[WannaBeDude]

Sack the pair of um for taking too long.
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[The Artist]

Capitalist/right wing = One who moved 200 bricks be paid more.

Communist/left wing = Equal pay

Our current legal position in this country is more left than right.
In reality I think most people would say the one who does more work be paid more.

Hardly a deep question, just what sort of society do you believe in.

Hardcore either way is no good either.

[D O G]

Clearly A deserves more.

Or rather, B deserves less.

[Skudd]

Give them equal pay on the amount of bricks moved. Or give basic for the four hours and a bonus for bricks over an amount, say £1 for each 20 bricks over 150 bricks. In both ways they are able to earn an equal amount based on the effort put in.
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[smegballs]

My immediate thought is that everyone's time should be equal. Then I think to the guy who works hard, why should he get the same for busting his balls as the guy who slacks off?

If everything was done to the lowest common denominator surely fuck all would get done in real life?

** obvious massive oversimplification, you could write books on motivational theory. Some people WILL work hard DESPITE getting the same flat rate as the slacker. I'm more looking at what they should get paid.

[Llama-Farmer]

Equal basic pay for the hours they've worked, then a performance related bonus for the bricks they've moved.


One topic I'm currently arguing on is minimum wage rates, and a 17 year old working as hard, and infact harder in a lot of cases, than a 23 year old doing exactly the same work but getting about half as much per hour for it.

[smegballs]

[ThoughtContro...]

Clearly brother B has a disability allowing him to do he job. He'll need plenty of testing to determine just what that disability is. They might have to create a new syndrome just to classify him correctly.

Brother A should be paid the amount for the job and have to move all 350 bricks in an hour, since he's clearly capable of working at that speed.

Brother B should be paid the same to sit at home all day, due to his disability. He probably needs a carer and a car allowance too.


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[Stalk]

Don't worry about what the other bloke gets, your boss pays for your time to do with as he wants (within reason) If one of the twins has a problem he should re-negotiate or get another job.

I know that things are not so ideal in the real world but people spend too much time worrying about "the other bloke" getting away with it. Tell the twin to work hard and he will probably get promotion or wage rise quicker.

[Harold_Shand]

They should have worked it out between them to carry 175 each.
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Harold_Shand's theory might be the best explanation.

[Andy J]

Sack 1 of them and equip the other with a wheelbarrow.

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[benham]

Next day, the guy who moved 200 bricks should just move 150 bricks.....

It's an interesting analogy to the age old Marxist/Capitalist debate.

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Andy
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[The Shaggy D.A.]

Depends on their contract, are they paid by the hour or as piecework?
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[Rogerborg]

Sack both of them and employ a Polish guy who'll move 400 bricks for half the money.
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[salty21]

350 bricks is appaling pace for 2 people in 4 hours, there both slackers and should seek employment at the local council
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[MattHirst]

We used to have to earn our bonus at work. Had to get 95% production to even get any bonus but it was am extremely flawed system and it was a lot easier for some people to make bonus, now it's just put on our basic rate.

I'd sau if both people were working to the best of their abilities (thus, technically putting in the same amount of effort?) then they should get paid the same. Unless they are working on a 'comission' basis and are paid according to the amount of bricks they moved then that's a different story.
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[Visitor Q]

This is why I love doing piece work (now and then).

I used to do lots of EMI Filters for 3-phase appliances.

Bend huge copper wires around insulating bricks.

I couldn't do the little fiddly ones (or at least not fast enough to be worthwhile), but the big ones were a quid a pop and I could do one start to finish in 3 minutes. It's a shame they only ever had lots of about 50-100.

Anyway, it's human nature to do the minimum acceptable amount of work. That's life.
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[Flemy]

[G]

As above - depends on the employment contract.

Did they go in expecting to be paid regardless of the work they do "within reason"?
What about if the next day the situation is reversed and the other one has an 'off day'? Is it just an 'off day'.

As above, are they both falling well below the work expected at their salary level?

[Mr.Everready]

[D O G]

Same question could easily be posed in the following fashion:

You can choose betwen identical individuals to service your bike. The quality of the work is the same, and both individuals are as bland as each other. There is no differentiation on effort - it simply takes one 50% longer.

However, one will take and charge for 2 hours to do the job, the other will take and charge for 3 hours.

Who would you give the job to?

[Speed]

Sack the twin brothers and employ a pole with a forklift...it'll be cheaper in the long run...