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TUG
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 09 Feb 2012    Post subject: Cheap parts a no-no? Reply with quote

Looking at servicing my bike in the not too distant future.

The plan is to replace the clutch cable as the bike is a 99 and still using the original clutch cable so cannot be fairing too well, the clutch is a bit vague on my bike too. The lever and that has always been well maintained and lubed but for the cost and peice of mind of a new cable i'd like to replace it.

More to the point, i've seen a cheaper than EBC clutch kit seen here again the bikes on original plates and has had a "hard" life, more so with me pulling wheelies and such.
Would you trust it or should I just stick with EBC plates as they have never let me down? Has anyone used the ones i've linked to and how would you rate them?

Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 09 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

EBC ain't exactly mint either. There are stories of their brake pads disintegrating pretty quickly!


https://www.xrv.org.uk/forums/mechanical-advice/30443-watch-out-ebc-brake-pad-catastrophic-failures.html
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PostPosted: 00:33 - 09 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what i can recall that happened to their shitty organic pads which i never use. I fitted more than enough sets of EBC pads and never had a failure to mine or a customers bike. Also brakes aren't a clutch part mate. Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:09 - 09 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always bought cheap parts and rarely had any problems at all. I think the deciding factor is how long you intend to keep the bike for. If you're selling it just stick whatever in. If you're keeping it imagine spreading the additional cost of parts out over the years. The better plates will cost you about £5 a year more Laughing
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PostPosted: 07:01 - 09 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frost - If your selling it just put cheap parts in?? really??

So you'd be happy buying a bike and then having the clutch/brakes disintegrate on you,cables snap/jam etc, possibly causing you to come off and write off your new bike?

Your the kinda guy i certainly wouldnt buy a bike from!

I would always fit quality products. It doesnt matter what the name is, but fit something that has good reviews, not the cheapest crap you can find from china!
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PostPosted: 07:19 - 09 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dean-J wrote:
Some guff


Chill, every single bike has been ragged, regardless.

There is always the chance an expensive part can fail anyway.
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PostPosted: 09:09 - 09 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dean-J wrote:
Frost - If your selling it just put cheap parts in?? really??


You think dealers don't? Do you think they put castrol magetec oil into a bike they're about to sell? If my bike has a chain and sprockets too worn to sell it with i'll buy the cheapest ones i can online fit them and consider the customer lucky to be buying a bike off someone as thoughtful as me rather than jut hoping the new owner won't notice.
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PostPosted: 09:37 - 09 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frost wrote:

You think dealers don't? Do you think they put castrol magetec oil into a bike they're about to sell? If my bike has a chain and sprockets too worn to sell it with i'll buy the cheapest ones i can online fit them and consider the customer lucky to be buying a bike off someone as thoughtful as me rather than jut hoping the new owner won't notice.


Some of the worst shonkers I have seen have rolled out of a dealership. Its a wonder how people still get the impression dealers are honest!
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 09 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temeluchus wrote:

Some of the worst shonkers I have seen have rolled out of a dealership. Its a wonder how people still get the impression dealers are honest!

Indeed - and they so often try to 'bully' people in to believing it's ok.
Then moan when customers dare to question their god-like knowledge - they've been ripping off people working in 'the industry' for over twenty years, ya'know!
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 09 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

EBC Plates after less than 20k miles.

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PostPosted: 11:01 - 09 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Especially those dealers that sell at the low end of the market. You are paying for a clean. Thats the only 'service' it will have had.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 09 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

After having EBC discs fracture on my car, I would never ever fit EBC stuff to my bike.
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 09 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dean-J wrote:
Frost - If your selling it just put cheap parts in?? really??

So you'd be happy buying a bike and then having the clutch/brakes disintegrate on you,cables snap/jam etc, possibly causing you to come off and write off your new bike?

Your the kinda guy i certainly wouldnt buy a bike from!

I would always fit quality products. It doesnt matter what the name is, but fit something that has good reviews, not the cheapest crap you can find from china!


Just be lucky that the seller decided to replace the part rather than to a temp fix or hope you wont notice...
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 09 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or, God forbid, Hows about people just being honest?

Bikes for sale, needs x,y and z replacing - Priced accordingly. Job done.

But yeah, lets all just lob on a load of shonky cheap parts and let the new owner deal with it when something fails.

Cracking mentality you all seem to have on the subject!
Love to see how you'd all react if someone fitted cheap crap parts to a bike you bought and they failed on you causing a crash/damage to your bike/you etc...
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 09 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

dp or a barnet clutch kit ftw
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 09 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

EBC make substandard shite.

https://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/david_m213/DSC00573.jpg?t=1318031807

That disc was around a year old at the time. It looks like it's going to crumble from the edge.

To give you an idea, here are the stock front discs which are over 10 years old.

https://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/david_m213/ebc1.jpg
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 09 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dean-J wrote:
Or, God forbid, Hows about people just being honest?

Bikes for sale, needs x,y and z replacing - Priced accordingly. Job done.

But yeah, lets all just lob on a load of shonky cheap parts and let the new owner deal with it when something fails.

Cracking mentality you all seem to have on the subject!
Love to see how you'd all react if someone fitted cheap crap parts to a bike you bought and they failed on you causing a crash/damage to your bike/you etc...


People often wont buy a bike if it needs a bit of work. They will always assume its been poorly looked after and will need more than you say done to it.
most people also dont have the money to throw away to buy the best quality parts for a bike they will never see again.
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 09 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dean-J wrote:
Or, God forbid, Hows about people just being honest?

Bikes for sale, needs x,y and z replacing - Priced accordingly. Job done.

But yeah, lets all just lob on a load of shonky cheap parts and let the new owner deal with it when something fails.

Cracking mentality you all seem to have on the subject!
Love to see how you'd all react if someone fitted cheap crap parts to a bike you bought and they failed on you causing a crash/damage to your bike/you etc...


Really? Always put the onus on the buyer to check everything, when it comes to selling something especially a motor vehicle, inspect everything and if you don't know how to then get somebody who does to have a look. A cheapo replacement AFAIC is better than a bodge job or no replacement at all.

If I found a bike I was interested in had budget replacement parts but was priced reasonably to the overall condition of the bike then I really would not give a fuck!
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 10 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, you seem to think buying some pattern part brake lever or something is a death sentence for the next owner. They're probably the same quality as the ones fitted in the factory, they just don't have the manufacturers massive mark up on them!
People usually don't accurately lit defects, so buyers usually expect a few minor things like a worn chain and sprockets or worn back tire. If you're honest about everything people usually expect it's got the 3 things wrong you've mentioned, plus another 3 you haven't and steer well clear. So i make sure there's nothing wrong with anything. If the parts fitted only last another 5000 miles, well then i've still paid for someone elses 5000 miles usage!
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 10 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about kyoto clutch kits? I'd fit a barett kit but £150+ or so is a bit too much when it comes to a clutch dont you think?
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 10 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never had a problem EBC brakes Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:18 - 10 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im not suggesting people must spend fortunes, read my initial post. A cheaper than OE part is fine, so long as its a reliable, reputable brand.
However, Fitting something you actively know is shite, and wont last 5mins, for the purpose of selling the bike just seems plain wrong to me.

Pattern parts are no problem, so long as they are from a reputable company and have a proven track record as it were.

That said, I have always kept my vehicles up to standard, so when its come time to sell, there has been nothing wrong with them in the first place.

Wear and tear items i usually replace before they need it, stuff like brakes, tyres,bearings etc. Id rather do preventative maintenance than reactive repairs.
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 11 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest I tend to fit Armstrong brakes as I bought them one day back when I had my FZR400 and rated them. Kyoto seem to be reputable so I will probably fit those plates with some EBC springs. As for the cable any will do.
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 11 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

From a car perspective, EBC clutches are the worst I've personally come across. Often they're refurbed units too, years after everybody else stopped selling them, even ECP's "budget" Chinese stuff tends to be better quality out the box, and better to drive with.

I only have experience of cars, but people broadly are terrified of pattern parts which is daft, on balance I'd say over 50% of the time the parts are identical (same casting numbers etc) to whatever came off as OE equipment.

There is some dross about, don't buy from eBay is my advice, but providing you buy from a good source, with proper invoices and comeback, and you actually check a part over before you fit it, I rarely can see a problem.

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