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Elffie01
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 12 Feb 2012    Post subject: Caberg Flip front Reply with quote
Sorry may sound a bit of a dumb newbie question, been trying to find out online but no luck.

I have seen a Caberg Flip front helmet, tried it on, fits nice etc, But got home and had forgotten to ask if it was P/J rated.

Can anyone enlighten me please. Dont need shooting down in flames or owt for not knowing or remembering to ask lol just a reply if anyone knows Razz

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PostPosted: 12:23 - 12 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
P/J? Perhaps my turn to be dumb Very Happy
I've got the Caberg Konda flip front, definitely road legal if that's what you mean Thumbs Up I do find it pretty drafty after my AGV K2 though....

edit; Ah got you now - the Konda I have I'm pretty sure is for closed use only - I'm sure I remember reading there was something like only one helmet available in the UK rated for both uses...
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 12 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
hi sorry, It was just something my CBT trainer said about flip fronts, wasnt taking too much notice as I wasnt going to get one. But after trying one on I have changed my mind lol

He said it should be a P rating and that there is a J rating but the P is the safest option /.... Confused Am I right in thinking that the J rating is something to do with Jaw lol, I have that in my head...

so P & J relates to using it opened ?
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 12 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
taken from wikipedia, so don't take it as gospel:

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Many modular helmets are designed to be worn only in the closed position for riding, as the movable chin bar is designed as a convenience feature, useful while not actively riding. The curved shape of an open chin bar and face shield section can cause increased wind drag during riding, as air will not flow around an open modular helmet in the same way as a three-quarters helmet. Since the chin bar section also protrudes further from the forehead than a three-quarters visor, riding with the helmet in the open position may pose increased risk of neck injury in a crash. Some modular helmets are dual certified as full face and open face helmet. The chin bar of those helmets offer real protection and they can be used in the "open" position while riding. An example of such an helmet would be the Shark Evoline.
As of 2008, there have not been wide scientific studies of modular helmets to assess how protective the pivoting or removable chin bars are. Observation and unofficial testing suggest that significantly greater protection exists beyond that for an open face helmet, and may be enough to pass full-face helmet standardized tests, but the extent of protection is not fully established by all standards bodies.
The DOT standard does not require chin bar testing. The Snell Memorial Foundation recently certified a flip-up helmet for the first time. ECE 22.05 allows certification of modular helmets with or without chin bar tests, distinguished by -P (protective lower face cover) and -NP (non-protective) suffixes to the certification number, and additional warning text for non-certified chin bars.

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PostPosted: 15:11 - 12 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Elffie01 wrote:
He said it should be a P rating and that there is a J rating but the P is the safest option


No idea what he's on about.

If it's the Caberg Konda you're after, it's 5 star SHARP rated with a 97% faceguard retention, it's easily the safest flip-front helmet around. I'm moderately tempted by the dayglo yellow version.
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 12 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
No, they are not suitable to be worn in bed.
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 12 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Very Happy Thanks for the replies guys and the info. I'm gonna go for it, might ask him again when I go on Tuesday.

but it felt the best out of the ones I tried on so Im happy.

Elliott - Embarassed See now thats thrown my whole fetish weekend out of the window... Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 12 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have a Caberg Konda helmet Thumbs Up No complaints. Never really had a use for the sun visor, I carry sunglasses on me most of the time anyway. Smile

Overall though it is a good helmet, a little noisy but not bad Thumbs UpSmile
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've got a Caberg Konda, use it for work and it is fantastic.

Aside from being comfortable and the flip-up being very convenient (not having to take it off at peoples door or when going back in store or at petrol station) it also has the sun visor, so no sunglasses needed, and easy to put away when cloudy mid-journey, and it's also one of the safest helmets around, particularly for £100-£120 depending on colour/pattern.

A little noisy, but nearly all flip fronts are, and I didn't realise when I bought it, mine was missing the flappy rubber stops-the-wind-getting-up chin curtain thing, so gonna pop back to the shop see if I can't take one off another helmet.


For £110, which is what mine costs, you could do a lot lot worse, but not much better
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I used to sell Caberg Konda helmets, they are very popular with new riders and commuters. As for this P and J ratings, never heard of it, or come across it.

They are completely safe and have passed the ECE22.05 test. That is what is important to be able to be used on UK road. It scores 5/5 on the Sharp rating test, so under the new Government devised test it is one of the safest on the market.

Only down side is it is slightly heavier, due to the 'flipping' mechanisms and the internal visor.

But is it completely safe and legal and a good first choice at a good price.
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
P = Full face helmet rated
J = Jet (open faced) rated

Cabergs are (IIRC) all J rated except the Sintesi.

If you can, get dual homologated (P and J), as then it is legal to ride flipped up or down. Nolan offer this, as does the Sintesi.
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wheres it say rating, i have the gt ... ? Question
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
It should be on the label stitched to the chin strap, or perhaps tucked into th eliner somewhere!
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
bencav wrote:
P = Full face helmet rated
J = Jet (open faced) rated

Cabergs are (IIRC) all J rated except the Sintesi.

If you can, get dual homologated (P and J), as then it is legal to ride flipped up or down. Nolan offer this, as does the Sintesi.


Embarassed Thanks Ben I was starting to think I was dreaming he said it lol ..

Found out the Caberg trip is a ~P rating and that is what the guy told me was the best. So Ill have one of those Very Happy


Thanks all for the input and replies
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
bencav wrote:
P = Full face helmet rated
J = Jet (open faced) rated

Cabergs are (IIRC) all J rated except the Sintesi.

If you can, get dual homologated (P and J), as then it is legal to ride flipped up or down. Nolan offer this, as does the Sintesi.

Hold on, Cabergs do a bunch of flip fronts I think - I know my Konda has 'P's on it, but not one 'J'... No good for open face IMO. And as I said earlier, I don't think there are many available in the UK you can wear both ways. So they're hardly going to be all 'J' rated...
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bomberman wrote:
bencav wrote:
P = Full face helmet rated
J = Jet (open faced) rated

Cabergs are (IIRC) all J rated except the Sintesi.

If you can, get dual homologated (P and J), as then it is legal to ride flipped up or down. Nolan offer this, as does the Sintesi.

Hold on, Cabergs do a bunch of flip fronts I think - I know my Konda has 'P's on it, but not one 'J'... No good for open face IMO. And as I said earlier, I don't think there are many available in the UK you can wear both ways.


Yep, only a hand ful of dual homologated ones out there, Nolans and the Caberg Sintesi and thats ya wack if I remember right.

Basically, If you have a flip with a J rate, its only as good as a open face. With a P rate, it is as good as a ful face. The rating dictates whether the chinbar is protective, cosmetic, or in case of P/J rated together, its good for both, so can be used in either format

If you want to ride with the flip up - get a J rated or dual Homologated from the few that are on the market - Otherwise, go for P and keep the flip down when moving!
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Elffie01 wrote:
bencav wrote:
P = Full face helmet rated
J = Jet (open faced) rated

Cabergs are (IIRC) all J rated except the Sintesi.

If you can, get dual homologated (P and J), as then it is legal to ride flipped up or down. Nolan offer this, as does the Sintesi.


Embarassed Thanks Ben I was starting to think I was dreaming he said it lol ..

Found out the Caberg trip is a ~P rating and that is what the guy told me was the best. So Ill have one of those Very Happy


Thanks all for the input and replies


Deffinately didnt dream it Very Happy

Nice lids the Cabergs, but I would try on the Nolan that HG have on offer atm, then you have the dual rate and can ride with the flip up (Good for city filtering etc)

TBH, I had a caberg and rode with the flip up and never got any hassle, but you takes ya chance if you try it!!
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
TBH they were the only ones that seemed to fit nicely, some of the sizes xs were huuuuge Confused Will have a look for a Nolan before I order this one, off to the shop tomorrow so they might stock them
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
How stupid, so riding with my caberg flip up is illegal, but riding with my caberg open face is a ok. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Elffie01 wrote:
TBH they were the only ones that seemed to fit nicely, some of the sizes xs were huuuuge Confused Will have a look for a Nolan before I order this one, off to the shop tomorrow so they might stock them


They are a little bit more expensive, but worth the extra IMHO, love mine to bits compared to the Konda I had!!
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
covdude wrote:
How stupid, so riding with my caberg flip up is illegal, but riding with my caberg open face is a ok. Rolling Eyes


Difference is a true open face doesnt have a none secred flappy bit that can obscure your vision if it falls down unexpectedly. P/J dual homologated lids have mechanisms to lock the flip in the up position - none other than the Sintesi do in the caberg range (Current range that is, cant say older models did or didnt!)
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
GixxerChick wrote:
They have passed the ECE22.05 test


This is of no interest to me whatsoever... the standard of some (non-biking) safety gear that meet EU/UK government-set "minimum requirement" is so shocking it is beggars belief. I wouldn't be surprised if the same could be said for some helmets

GixxerChick wrote:
It scores 5/5 on the Sharp rating test, so under the new Government devised test it is one of the safest on the market.


This on the other hand, much more useful and important. SHARP gives you basically a test score a bit like the helmet equivalent of the NCAP Crash Tests for cars. Shows you which parts of your head suffer what level of damage etc.

There's a lot of helmets on the SHARP website (https://sharp.direct.gov.uk/) that only got 1/5... not very good at all, yet they still meet "minimum required standard".



Hopefully as SHARP establishes itself more, it will force manufacturers to test helmets themselves and design them to be safer and score higher.
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have a Caberg Justissimo which can be used with or without the flip-up part. It came with a couple of plastic blanking plates that cover the mechanism when the front is removed - plus the main and internal flip-down tinted visors still work.

I tried it once to see how it all worked, but haven't ridden with it in the open-face setup.

As far as I know, it is rated as ECE22.05 as a full face, and 'J' rated as open face.
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PostPosted: 23:56 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Taught2BCautious wrote:
I have a Caberg Justissimo which can be used with or without the flip-up part. It came with a couple of plastic blanking plates that cover the mechanism when the front is removed - plus the main and internal flip-down tinted visors still work.

I tried it once to see how it all worked, but haven't ridden with it in the open-face setup.

As far as I know, it is rated as ECE22.05 as a full face, and 'J' rated as open face.


But I think you have to remove the whole flip-up unit in order for it to have the open-face approval.

Simply riding with it flipped up doesn't cut it I don't think.
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PostPosted: 00:56 - 14 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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But I think you have to remove the whole flip-up unit in order for it to have the open-face approval.

Simply riding with it flipped up doesn't cut it I don't think.


I guess you are right - but flipping-up is good for a quick trip to the bank or paying for petrol where you get signs saying "Motorcyclists please remove helmets before entering" - I get away with it anyway.

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