Filtering?

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Okay, so all you keen eyed people out there will already know that I own a 50cc ped (im 16 before anybody starts crying about selling it and buying a 125, i intend to do that as soon as i turn 17 (february 2013).

The CBT didn't cover filtering, at all. And although i can figure out how to filter, when is it acceptable to filter? I'm assuming that its not something you should do to avoid queues at roundabouts, but what about at red lights? or waiting at roadworks?? also how do you deal with those pissy cagers who like to pull out infront of you because their jelous that they cant fit their BMW X5 through that gap your about to go through?

I doubt that i'll come across much traffic on major roads, (I intend to avoid A roads completely, too dangerous I think)

So thanks for the help in advance

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[haroman666]

I don't know about any legalities involved with filtering, but I do it any time there's a car queued and is safe to do so.

It's down to whether you think it's safe or not, and that will come with experience. Trying to get down the middle of a normal 2 lane road (Lane to the right of you is oncoming), with oncoming traffic and moving traffic in your lane, may not be ideal. But if the gap is wide enough, why not go through? Assess the dangers, and make your move. So long as you feel safe and comfortable doing so.

They probably don't cover it in the CBT or tests is because I guess it's not considered something you have to do. But most bikers do it, as it would be retracting from one of the reasons of riding bikes!

As for those X5 drivers; just make allowances with your speed and awareness as you're filtering. You never know who's gonna be a twat about things, so when filtering, just be on your guard and be ready to put that emergency stop that you "learnt" into effect
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[Kingstondavo]

Be very careful when filtering past moving traffic, on a ped I'd say the fastest traffic you want to be filtering past is 10mph...

Don't filter as fast as your ped will go, you never know who will walkout between cars/pull out of junctions/do a u turn... Always make sure you can stop or you have an exit strategy.
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[Rogerborg]

Sorry, it's something that you're going to have to decide for yourself, on a case by case basis. It's entirely dependent on the instant road conditions.

As for nobbers, the best revenge is to just leave them behind.
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[iMark]

ooo another filtering thread, must hi-jack.

I've seen people filtering through both stationary and slow moving traffic on the near side, I thought that was like undertaking, illegal unless the traffic is indicating right?

Can someone clear this up for me?
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[iMark]

[biker7]

Another thing to bear in mind here: if you are moving and the traffic is stationary, in the event of any collision, you would be highly unlikely to be able to claim against another driver's insurance. If the traffic is moving slowly and you are in between lanes, you are most likely to have to foot the bill. We all need to realise that when we filter we are relying on the fact that things will not go wrong. If they do......... Having said all this - filtering is one of the big advantages of commuting by bike - so filter as carefully as possible seems to be the best compromise.
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[Teflon-Mike]

Passing another vehicle on the left, isn't technically illegal; eg; if you have two queues of traffic, in stop start situation, and the left hand queue is moving faster.

DELIBERATELY moving into the left hand lane, or cutting into a gap to the left of another vehicle, in order to 'under-take' is very, very questionable.

If the vehicle in question is clearly stopped waiting to turn right accross oncoming traffic; its 'acceptable'.

If the vehicle is simply hoigging teh white line in stationary queue and you decide to dart up the gutter to get by, BIG no-No.

ALL 'over taking' manouvers, are described in the RTA as a 'hazardouse manouver' and performed at driver/riders own risk.

Ie: if you crash passing another vehicle..... its pretty much your fault and you are guilty until proven innocent.

So 'filtering'.... which we have debated a number of times, and I am trying to remember the conclusion of.... Think I said that there is no mention of 'filtering' in either the Highway code or Road Traffic act and was 'corrected'....

I think that it is 'explained' in the highway code; and I cant remember if it is mentioned as an 'example' of over-taking in an explanitory note of teh RTA now....

DOESN'T really matter....

FILTERING = OVERTAKING

Doesn't matter if you are bimbling past a queue of stationary traffic at 5mph, or blasting down the outside lane of the motorway, or 'lane splitting' on the ring-road.... as far as the laws governing are concerned, its OVERTAKING

Read up on the rules for over taking....

You may not overtake where there is a solid white line on your side of the centre of the road...

You should not over take within I think 30 yards of a junction... means junctions OFF the road you are on, side turnings on EITHER side of the road, OR approaching roundabouts or T junctions and 'stuff'...

YES, confusing... what happens if you 'filter' to the head of a queue of traffic at a T-Junction or roundabout! TECHNICALLY its Over-Taking and withing the yardage limits!

Likewise passing lead vehicle within the zig-zags of a crossing, OR outside a SCHOOL....

List of circumstances goes on and on.... and teh contradictions are endless.

ULTIMATELY, on a 30mph ped, you are NOT going to have much opportunity for 'over-taking' anything other than stationary traffic, then probably in built up suburban streets.

Darting in and out of stationary cars, that DO NOT expect you to be there and probably DONT look in thier mirrors before moving, sat in snarled up traffic where nothing is moving, and they KNOW that whats behind them is still behind them and whats in front is still in front and SHIT! where's that fucking twat on a moped come from.... CADONK as you become a new speed bump!

Its REALLY probably NOT WORTH IT.

It is about the only advantage a moped has to 'make progress', but shit, kid.... for the sake of a few minutes on your journey, HERE AND NOW, when you have least experience to know what the dangers are, or where or when you CAN 'filter' reasonably safely....

Just dont. Sit it out and get where you are going in one piece.

It IS where MOST ped riders get wiped out, and its normally becouse they dart in dart out, get away with it and get cocky and thier luck just runs out.

As you gain experience; it WILL become more obviouse where and when you MIGHT filter, and other bikes doing it around you will give clues where its good or bad.... but for now, dont try and emulate them, play it safe, watch and learn.
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[Taught2BCauti...]

Filtering requires extreme care, but is something that I like to practice when I get the opportunity - it really sharpens your concentration and observation skills.

Constantly evaluating gaps and looking for shadows and reflections is one thing, but don't forget to keep an eye on what's behind you in case some other biker has seen you filtering and tags on behind you.

Don't do it if you are late for work - you won't save that much time overall, and it puts you in the wrong frame of mind.

If you are lucky, drivers might actually see you coming and make room - but don't let that lull you into a false sense of security. Keep the difference in your speed down to about 10-15mph and always be ready for a sudden stop.

BTW - I have heard that filtering is either illegal in France, or they are going to make it illegal soon - so best not do it in France

[J.M.]

[Alpha-9]

Stationary means still, technically....

I have only overtaken someone once or twice thus far, one was super slow mr. 2mph to go over a speed bump

and even then soon as he saw me overtaking he sped up hence making it harder for me to overtake, just to be a dick, which meant i was in the oncoming lane for longer than I wanted to be, as well as being heavy on the revs due to my nubbiness

But ya, be patient, it isn't worth it, especially if you can only do 30
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