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PostPosted: 13:15 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Accused of being involved in an accident. Reply with quote

Just had a call from my insurance company saying that someone is accusing me of being involved in an accident in July '11 on my motorbike - I have _absolutely_ no recollection of any incident - I just checked my online parking records (Westminster council) and it shows I was using a different bike that day so I can't see that it was likely I was even riding the one in question that day.
Does this person need to provide some hard evidence that something did indeed happen or does their word alone carry enough weight to cause me a problem? Why on earth would they leave it 7 months before pursuing it anyway?!
I've told my insurers that I have no idea - they've gone away to talk to the 3rd party to get some more information, but it's obviously concerned me somewhat!
I sold the bike in question ~2 months ago now.
Thoughts..? Some sort of scam maybe?
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ignore it.
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd love to but they're going to call me back today with more information. Apparently the 3rd party is a 'she', that's all I managed to glean from the conversation.
The time scale baffles me.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd speak to T.C about this. My knee-jerk reaction would be to instruct your insurer that all communication must be in writing, and that they should not deal with the claim until you've received all the details of it.

It sounds like a scam attempt, a partial plate (mis) match from a ride-away, or some nobber is riding around with cloned plates. Either way, you'll have to see all of the evidence.

If it's a scam then there will be a big list of her cousins all ready to swear that they watched you utterly destroy her pussy, ramming your 17" of rubber clad front end into it again and again until it was just a quivering furry mess. Poor kitten. Sad

No witnesses, then no case. Sorry, pet, try the uninsured driver compo scheme.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the same thing a few years ago. Apparently my old fiesta had been involved in a crash in London. The paperwork was from a legitimate insurance company, so I rang them up and told them it was a load of rubbish, and that was the end of it.

I suppose if the owner of the offending vehicle cannot be traced, the scammer can claim through the MIB with little fuss.

These false injury and damage claims are rife at the moment. In particular the 'where there's a blame there's a claim' nonsense you see on the telly all the time. People are claiming for accidents they had years ago, and the amoral have-nots will try anything for a quick buck.
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The time scales are probably based around how long it takes the cops to release numberplate info to the public.

Someone drove into my old car I phoned the cops immediately as he drove off - didn't fancy giving chase and was facing the other way in traffic anyway.

A bit of touch up paint and a couple of taps from the inside of the panel managed to make it look reasonable anyway so I gave up chasing the cops after a month. 5 months later and a letter dropped through the letter box saying we've found the guy, we're not pressing charges for driving off but here's his details. One 5 min check on their DB but a 5 month wait for it!
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

CB77 wrote:


I suppose if the owner of the offending vehicle cannot be traced, the scammer can claim through the MIB with little fuss.



With the hoops the MIB make you jump through to satisfy their protocols together with the 3 months they are allowed to carry out their own investigation after receiving notification of a claim, it is not easy for these types of individuals to make an MIB claim.

On top of that, in damage only claims there is a £250 excess on the first part of each and every claim (does not apply to the injury part of a claim) and if a scammer is involved, it is unlikely that they will have reported it to the police which is a prime requirement.

In 99% of cases these sorts of incidents are usually as a result of someone misreading the registration number or someone using a cloned plate, and if you can show that you were somewhere else at the time of the alleged incident then this claim (as far as you are concerned anyway) will go away.

If the claim is genuine, then the third party will have to provide evidence of how your number came to be recorded, and if it is just a case of they wrote it down, then if you genuinely were on another bike in another location, it should not be too difficult to discredit the evidence provided by the 3rd party.
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have they given you details of exactly where it is, what happened etc?

I had this for an old car - was obviously no where near there and they pretty quickly went away when it was obvious there was a mistake etc.
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: Accused of being involved in an accident. Reply with quote

goto10 wrote:
Just had a call from my insurance company saying that someone is accusing me of being involved in an accident in July '11 on my motorbike - I have _absolutely_ no recollection of any incident - I just checked my online parking records (Westminster council) and it shows I was using a different bike that day so I can't see that it was likely I was even riding the one in question that day.


That's very unusual phrasology you are using. Either you were riding it or you were riding another. Why would you say it was 'unlikely' when your records show it was a different bike?

Apart from that - you do know that if you park in one of the covered Wesminster carparks instead of on the street you don't have to pay don't you?
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: Accused of being involved in an accident. Reply with quote

Does sound slightly odd.

However, it's London so easy enough to have a near miss* and for me it wasn't unusual that I might use two different bikes in a day, or not know which I used.

* Yes, I mean near miss.


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PostPosted: 15:50 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we're swapping anecdotes, I rejected a delivered hire car because once opened, the nearside front door wouldn't stay shut (I'm That Guy who actually checks over a hire vehicle before driving it). The delivery monkey came back with an attitude and no way of securing the door: "Look, mate, you just need to slam it... slam it like... wait, just slam it harder... ah sod it, it really is fvcked, innit?" and then screamed off after trying to secure it with his belt.

A full year later, I received out of the blue a "NOTICE BEFORE ACTION" for uninsured collision damage on the vehicle - which I'd never driven. Took me a while to figure out what they were even on about, then a quick check through my email history turned up the email that I'd sent confirming my phone call to tell them that it was their problem that it was sitting in my drive overnight with the door cracked open in the rain, and that maybe they should check their records before I got my costs awarded in court. It's all about the documentation.
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: Accused of being involved in an accident. Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:

That's very unusual phrasology you are using. Either you were riding it or you were riding another. Why would you say it was 'unlikely' when your records show it was a different bike?


I commuted on a different bike - but that doesn't mean I didn't ride the 'accused' bike that day - what I'm saying is that it looks like I definitely used a different bike for my commute on the day in question, but it's entirely possible (but not particularly likely) that I took the other bike out in the evening. I have no idea what time of day or where the alleged incident happened, hopefully they'll give me these details soon...


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Apart from that - you do know that if you park in one of the covered Wesminster carparks instead of on the street you don't have to pay don't you?


I didn't as it goes, cheers. I shall investigate...
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aah, that clears it up. I guess you need to get some more details.

Traffy square carpark always has empty places.
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Ignore it.


Very bad idea!

If you ignore it and don't play ball with your insurance company's claim handlers they'll simply have to cough up as there's nothing they have to contend.

The nob from Reading who knocked me off my lovely pink and blue gpz500 (and until then immaculate and unscathed despite its 17 years) at the Hogarth roundabout a few years ago, who swore it was my fault, and proceeded to ignore the solicitors letters etc directed at him luckily for me ended up with a payout as they (his insurers) couldn't contend with what was being put to them.

If you ignore they'll probably pay up and record it as a fault accident against you resulting in hassle and higher premiums for you!


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PostPosted: 16:11 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can be worse than that too. If you ignore it, your insurers can decide they haven't a claim to answer and the 3rd party come after you personally.
This is exactly what I was faced with when a guy knocked me over after driving out of a side road. His insurers said that since he hadn't notified them they couldn't even look at it. I argued that if he had died in the accident they would have no choice but that didn't help much.

Only severe pestering by me, and phonecalls by me to the other driver, followed by a stern letter form my insurers, convinced his insurers that he was deliberately trying to avoid a claim and in the end they paid in full.
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had similar a few years ago, they were claiming off the plate, when I pointed out the plate was for a bike, and I may have noticed being in a collision with a car they went away to investigate,

Their explanation was that the repair centre had written down the wrong reg Confused
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before leaving the office I received a third call from the insurers, they said - I quote - "Sorry for the delay in getting back to you but the solicitor's office had to contact the third party again - she'd given them the number plate incorrectly, it's not you they're after" Rolling Eyes
All sounds a touch suspect - I guess they're trying various permutations of a plate to try and get lucky.
All's well that ends well I guess.
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

goto10 wrote:
Before leaving the office I received a third call from the insurers, they said - I quote - "Sorry for the delay in getting back to you but the solicitor's office had to contact the third party again - she'd given them the number plate incorrectly, it's not you they're after" Rolling Eyes
All sounds a touch suspect - I guess they're trying various permutations of a plate to try and get lucky.
All's well that ends well I guess.


Did they even give a description of the vehicle and type?

Seems odd that your insurers would have taken it seriously if she didn't have a clue about any of it.
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing at all, I guess it _was_ a motorbike in question - I've googled the number they called me on (01912698989) and it seems to check out as genuine. I don't know how it worked, (did the '3rd party' report the plate to the police or their insurer..?) I guess my insurers were just reacting to the claim made against me (...and their policy)
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds very fishy, but at least it worked out well.
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

goto10 wrote:
Nothing at all, I guess it _was_ a motorbike in question - I've googled the number they called me on (01912698989) and it seems to check out as genuine. I don't know how it worked, (did the '3rd party' report the plate to the police or their insurer..?) I guess my insurers were just reacting to the claim made against me (...and their policy)


I was wondering if they could have put plate details through a dvla vehicle enquiry online or something but for that you would need to know the make of the vehicle before getting anything else specific like colour.

Seems odd as you say, if they were just trying different plate numbers how the hell would they have ended up with a motorbike (if indeed there was a bike involved or indeed an accident at all)!?
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 18 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I'd speak to T.C about this. My knee-jerk reaction would be to instruct your insurer that all communication must be in writing, and that they should not deal with the claim until you've received all the details of it.

It sounds like a scam attempt, a partial plate (mis) match from a ride-away, or some nobber is riding around with cloned plates. Either way, you'll have to see all of the evidence.

If it's a scam then there will be a big list of her cousins all ready to swear that they watched you utterly destroy her pussy, ramming your 17" of rubber clad front end into it again and again until it was just a quivering furry mess. Poor kitten. Sad

No witnesses, then no case. Sorry, pet, try the uninsured driver compo scheme.


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PostPosted: 21:51 - 18 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd just better hope the claim hasn't already been entered on CUE... that database of "incidents" that insurers keep, whether a claim arises from it or not. If it has it would be totally unfair and you should be able to get it struck off because nothing actually happened.
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