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PostPosted: 01:28 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: motorways Reply with quote

ok ive just trawled dvla website and direct gov to find out the law on riding on a cbt and motorways.
no learners wether be-it car or bike is allowed on a motorway,
but i cant find any text to say what the punishment is if any so. . .
can i ride on a motorway without a full licence and get away with it or what?
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PostPosted: 01:38 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

At a guess, I'd say this;

Driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence

£1,000 (fine)
Discretionary (Disqualification)
3-6 (points)

I wouldn't bother Thumbs Up

https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069870
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PostPosted: 01:43 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok i see that, however on a cbt your still a 'learner'.
in a car a learner has to be accompanyed by a experienced/qualified instructor who will have passed a theory test,but a cbt holder has done know theory or accopanyment so can plead ignorance. surely
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PostPosted: 01:44 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I definately wouldn't advise it, but I suppose you could ride a motorway without the relevant licence, but you can expect to have the book thrown at you if you got caught, and/or involved in an accident...

I checked a few sites, and the concensus seems to be 3-6 points, up to £1000 fine, a discretionary disqualification
Offence code LC20 - Driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence £1,000 Discretionary disqualification 3-6 points


edit : bomberman just beat me to it Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 01:44 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cloric_tzr wrote:
ok i see that, however on a cbt your still a 'learner'.
in a car a learner has to be accompanyed by a experienced/qualified instructor who will have passed a theory test,but a cbt holder has done know theory or accopanyment so can plead ignorance. surely

No. Ignorance is never going to get you off. Seriously, never.

Another thing - would you try it with your 'L's' on? You'd be an attention magnet. But if you take them off, you'd be looking at 6 (two missing L's) and then 3-6 for the motorway offence!
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PostPosted: 01:48 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cloric_tzr wrote:
but a cbt holder has done no theory or accompaniment so can plead ignorance. surely

I think you'll find that the "officer" would quote that your ignorance is not a defence
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PostPosted: 01:59 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

so im guessing the general consensus is dont be a douche and risk it.

Twisted Evil i like risking things though,
but i dont want another 6 point just got ride of the last lot Evil or Very Mad

its not a very clear subject, i suppose it more comes down to coppers discretion, if hes a cunt im fucked, if hes ok i just get a dont do it again
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PostPosted: 02:02 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cloric_tzr wrote:
so im guessing the general consensus is dont be a douche and risk it.

Twisted Evil i like risking things though,
but i dont want another 6 point just got ride of the last lot Evil or Very Mad

its not a very clear subject, i suppose it more comes down to coppers discretion, if hes a cunt im fucked, if hes ok i just get a dont do it again

If you really want to risk it, make sure there's nothing else you can pick up an extra 3 for - bald tyre, exhaust blown etc. etc. And you have a history... Up to you mate, but I wouldn't.
What you riding? A tzr?
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PostPosted: 02:09 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

no that babys still in the shed, picking up a new bike 94 rg 125.
although with the past weeks experiences thats not a dead cert Confused
its not really worth it for the sake of extra 10 miles to go round, but was unclear as to what might happen if i did try it.
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PostPosted: 02:14 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

In addition to all that has been said, the highway code usually does state the laws:

https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069862 wrote:
Prohibited vehicles. Motorways MUST NOT be used by pedestrians or holders of provisional motorcycle or car licences. Motorcycles under 50 cc, cyclists, horse riders, certain slow-moving vehicles and those carrying oversized loads (except by special permission) also MUST NOT use motorways. Agricultural vehicles and powered wheelchairs/powered mobility scooters (see Rules 36-46 incl) are also banned from motorways.

[Laws HA 1980 sects 16, 17 & sch 4, MT(E&W)R regs 3(d), 4 & 11, MT(E&W)(A)R, R(S)A sects 7, 8 & sch 3, RTRA sects 17(2) & (3), & MT(S)R reg 10]


https://www.legislation.gov.uk/

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I don't really see why you would want to try it on a 125 though. I've taken my 125 on the motorway once and I hated it to bits - I make an extra effect to avoid motorways wherever I go now until I get a slightly bigger bike Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 02:18 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cloric_tzr wrote:
ok i see that, however on a cbt your still a 'learner'.
in a car a learner has to be accompanyed by a experienced/qualified instructor who will have passed a theory test,but a cbt holder has done know theory or accopanyment so can plead ignorance. surely


This will never work. Ever. In a million years of a month of sundays.
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PostPosted: 02:34 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok i think i weill be giving it a miss then, it was only for one junction but still dont matter if its one or 100,
silly fucking law i think as you cant learn to ride/drive on one but as soon as you pass your qualified?! horse shit
the only way to learn is experience.
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PostPosted: 02:38 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cloric_tzr wrote:
ok i think i weill be giving it a miss then, it was only for one junction but still dont matter if its one or 100,
silly fucking law i think as you cant learn to ride/drive on one but as soon as you pass your qualified?! horse shit
the only way to learn is experience.


That's a whole other argument, but I agree with you.

Should have to pass a theory to get red L plates.
Pass a 1st practical to get a green L plate, which can drive/ride on motorways WITH an instructor.
Pass a 2nd practical to ride without plates.

Logging a certain number of hours with an adult or instructor before you can take tests as well, like they do in Australia.
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PostPosted: 07:10 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cloric_tzr wrote:
ok i think i weill be giving it a miss then, it was only for one junction but still dont matter if its one or 100,
silly fucking law i think as you cant learn to ride/drive on one but as soon as you pass your qualified?! horse shit
the only way to learn is experience.


You don't need to "learn" to ride on a motorway. It is just a dual carriageway with one extra overtaking lane. Not rocket science.

Learners should be banned from motorways anyway, if nothing else its an extra incentive for people not to endlessly ride round on L plates.
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kingstondavo wrote:
cloric_tzr wrote:
ok i think i weill be giving it a miss then, it was only for one junction but still dont matter if its one or 100,
silly fucking law i think as you cant learn to ride/drive on one but as soon as you pass your qualified?! horse shit
the only way to learn is experience.


You don't need to "learn" to ride on a motorway. It is just a dual carriageway with one extra overtaking lane {correction} with blue signs instead of green; no parking places; and a rule that says no stopping, no pedestrians, no mopeds, no horses, and no learners (Doesn't HAVE to have three lanes in either direction, or a hard shoulder. Many motorways have only two driving lanes in either direction. While a duel carriageway merely means that the traffic in opposite directions, has a median divider of some sort, rather than just a white line; some duel carriageways only have one lane in either direction). Not rocket science.

Learners should be banned from motorways anyway, if nothing else its an extra incentive for people not to endlessly ride round on L plates.


{almost} Exactly!

Absolutely nothing stopping you from riding whatever you want; wherever you want whenever you want... BUT your lack of licence to do so legally.

Be grateful for the privileged of actually being allowed to ride unsupervised before passing tests, like any other motorised road user, rather than resentful of the restrictions & limitations which are almost entirely self imposed, because the only thing stopping you passing tests, getting the licence and not having them is your own determination!

If you can afford a bike; you can afford a licence. There are no excuses. So if you choose to live with the limitations & restrictions, inconvenience & ignomy of L-Plates... that is entirely down to you.
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll play the devils advocate here. While I am inclined to agree with Mike on the Motorway being a dual carriage way and not much more, actually being on one is a whole different ball game and to be honest. I have been on a Motorway on my old 125CC and it is not something I wish to repeat ever again.

I had to take a trip up the A3 and then onto the M25 onto the A1(M) and the M25 is a scary place on a bike with sod all power. The legal limit for vechicles on a motorway is 70MPH and I dont think a single one of the drivers on there do anything less than 80. Getting passed by Mr white van man while he's doing 120 and your stuck doing 55 behind a truck is a pretty hair raising thing.

125CC bikes do not belong on there and personally I should be thankful that on L plates you cannot ride on them. On any bike they are dangerous places but on a 125 its almost suicide.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took my old 125cc on a couple of 60mile motorway trips (with my full license) and didnt seem to have any scary moments. I did have to sit behind some slow moving lorries whilst going up hill, but with some carefully planned over takes I was fine.

The only thing I didnt like about it was keeping the engine running at full power for over an hour, thing was screaming Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last thing we need is L plated ped bois with 51cc "motorcycles" clogging up motorways.


Want to use a motorway? Prove you can ride by taking your test. If it is only one junction then the adjacent country road way can't be far.
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
I have been on a Motorway on my old 125CC and it is not something I wish to repeat ever again.


I have used 125's on motorways. I used to really enjoy Manchester to Plymouth, as an impoverished student, on half a tank of petrol, slip streaming the trucks!

Its how you view them, and try and use them. My early motorway miles were slogging up and down the M5/M6 in an old Dodge seven and a half tonner dragging a ruddy plant trailer, with a governor set at 50mph.

Not ALL traffic on the motorway blasts along at 80+, and I dont mind sitting back, and cruising at a steady 56 even in the car, or particularly in the Range-Rover, enjoying the ecconomy and lack of stress.

No, a 125 doesn't give you the speed to 'cut it' with the rep-mobiles vying for slots in the two outside over taking lanes.... so DONT TRY!

Most 125's do have the oomph to cruise happily in the 'truck lane' and have the reserve to maintain it up hills or to put on that bit extra to get past some grossly laden HGV.

I agree its not thier ideal habbitat, and would question why you would really want to use a 'boring' motorway, when you can have a lot more fun and a lot more interesting ride taking the scenic route...

But I ride for pleasure, so dont generally ever have to be anywhere inparticular at any particular time.

I do see people quite regularly using the M6, M5 & M42 round Birmingham on smaller bikes and even scooters as part of thier daily commute, and they are having a ball when traffic hits the frequent snarl ups.

Even come accross a few Scooter-Rallyists trundling up the motorway, two up, laden with luggage on thier way to a Northern-Soul gig in their parka's or whatever it is they go do....

They dont cause any more of a problem than any other 'irregular' vehicle on the motorway and are probably less of a hazard and at less risk that someone in an old swaying Series Land-Rover with wheeja-board worm and sector steering, or the inevitable numpties in over size motorhomes that have no idea how big or wide thier bus is, and dont realise that HGV regulations apply to them and they cant drive it like thier everyday mondeo, or the borrowed caravan towers; that think they can tow at 80mph, the van swaying all over the place, or dont trust themselves to go over 40.

Bottom line, is, its not the vehicle, its the driver, and their CHOICE whether they are comfortable to use it on the motorway and within the limitations of the vehicle & thier capability.

Trying to battle white-van man, in his 90mph turbo-diesel transit, on a barely 70mph Yamaha YBR125, like you might in a 5-series, and finding it rather 'scary' ought to be bludy obviouse, and is NOT the fault of the bike or the motorway regulations!
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Seems that they are thinking of letting learner car drivers use the motorways (with a qualified instructor and dual controls):-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/17093564

All the best

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PostPosted: 11:34 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Hi

Seems that they are thinking of letting learner car drivers use the motorways (with a qualified instructor and dual controls):-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/17093564

All the best

Keith


*facepalm*

Why are (most) women such sissies when it comes to the motorway?
OH NO DEY ARRR GOINN FASTTT

That's the point hurrr

My mum is the same, shits herself on the motorway, I really don't get it, it's safer than these pitch black country roads with boy racers doing 80 down them because they think noone is around, at least everyone on the motorway is going a constant speed - Unless someone fucks up
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Seems that they are thinking of letting learner car drivers use the motorways (with a qualified instructor and dual controls):-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/17093564

All the best

Keith


I agree with it, a qualified instructor ought to know when a pupil is ready to gain some motorway experience. Better that than having to go on with no experience at all, as newly qualified drivers have to do now. Mrs D has only been on a motorway once, (and that was the M606 for approx 500 yds) I was with her and she was bloody terrified even though there was nothing else about.
I've been on a motorway on a 125 though, and I wouldn't want to repeat that experience in a hurry (I got knocked off it on the sliproad)

Dog

p.s.

I've been on a motorway as a learner too, in HGV and in a bus.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Seems that they are thinking of letting learner car drivers use the motorways (with a qualified instructor and dual controls):-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/17093564

All the best

Keith


Think this would be quite a good idea - after all you have people hopping onto the motorway on pass-plus under basically exactly these circumstances. They may've passed a test, but they've never been on a motorway before, and any reasonable instructor will ensure their first time is on a quiet day with decent weather.

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Responding to the safety warnings, he described them as "the biggest load of rubbish he had ever heard"
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cloric_tzr wrote:
so im guessing the general consensus is dont be a douche and risk it.

Twisted Evil i like risking things though,
but i dont want another 6 point just got ride of the last lot Evil or Very Mad

its not a very clear subject, i suppose it more comes down to coppers discretion, if hes a cunt im fucked, if hes ok i just get a dont do it again


It's a pretty clear subject really, don't do it. Simples.
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 21 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did it a couple of times when I was still on a CBT, only for one extra junction after it turned from an A road into a motorway, was just going to say I missed my turning if I got stopped and go off at the next junction, although they were less than a mile apart.

Wouldn't risk it for anything more or on a regular basis though.
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