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 Posted: 12:52 - 15 Feb 2012  Post subject: Mod 1 Booked. Bricking it now xD (EDIT: PASSED) |
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Hi folks!
Finally took the plunge and booked my Module 1 via an instructor. Now before you say anything, I know I could have done it without training  But I for one really wasn't happy about doing the high speed manouvers 'blind' as it were (slow stuff I feel fine about!) so I've gone for a morning of training and then we're driving up to Bristol for the test in the afternoon.
I was having some really random dreams about it last night xD There was some kid on a bright pink Ninja doing his test too. And I got told off for leaning too much on my figure-of-eight (can you even lean TOO FAR on a YBR? ).
I am a touch concerned about the fast stuff, mostly about the speed requirement. My biggest worry is that I'm not going to be able to get the speed up as it DOES take a bit of coaxing. Should I just open the throttle and hope for the best?
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| Posted: 13:02 - 15 Feb 2012 Post subject: Re: Mod 1 Booked. Bricking it now xD |
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Good choice, a bit of training and confidence building is no bad thing. Good luck with the test too.
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Best of luck chap.  |
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| dungbug wrote: | Best of luck chap pette. |
EFA, and ditto.
You'll be fine, just take a few breaths before starting each part - you can do it all in your own time now, even the follow-the-clipboard slow ride is now just "ride over there in your own time".
Give it beans in 2nd gear for the speed tests all the way to the speed gates, you only need 48kph now and minors count for nothing once you've passed.
And enjoy it, it's just riding a bike, you can do that. 
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| Posted: 17:38 - 15 Feb 2012 Post subject: |
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Good luck!!!!! You''ll be fine  |
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I was taught to use the back brake for slow speeds.
When I was first learning though I found it easier to use the throttle.
Using the back brake becomes easier with practice.
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| Recluso wrote: | Will I lose marks for using my back brake on the slow speed stuff? |
I can't think why, you're demonstrating control of the bike. 
However, the local DSA examiners may be a bit mental - your instructor should be able to advise.
The other thing to watch out for is not locking up the rear when slowing down from the fast manoeuvres. If you're in any doubt, then just put your foot on the rear brake, but don't press it - it'll look the same to the examiner, and there's no risk of locking it up.
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The 'loop' treat as a roundabout, you have to take the 3rd exit off, and RIDE IT....
There IS more to it than just nailing the throttle and getting the speed up for the nadgery swerve or stop.
Its looking for you to do it SMOOTHLY and actually planning ahead.
People that struggle with it, tend to be a bit mechanical, and they are doing each 'bit' in turn, one step at a time...
Slow into the turn, tip in, hold throttle, accelerate out.... AH, 'jink' hesitate, turn accelerate.... and scrub off teh speed needed for teh trap.
Needs to be done in a continium, as though you were coming off a roundabout, 'maintaining' speed, rather than changing it.
On the cones; no you shouldn't get demerited for using back brake.
OUGHT NOT BLUDY NEED TO, though! Especially on a YBR!
Sorry; its a pet hate, and a 'test trick' I dont like; you shouldn't HAVE to resort to such 'tricks' to ride round half a dozen bludy cones... I ride trials, which I have to do infinitely slower, through, round, or over far more difficult obstickles, and I can WIN bludy events without resorting to such gimmicks, with basic decent throttle control and balence; so sure as fuck you shouldn't have to riding through a couple of cones!
Even so; it would only be a minor, and I think that knocking a cone, or a single 'dab', individually are only a minor, and you can have I think three or five on Mod1, provided they aren't all the same, before they fail you.
So, basically dont sweat it, and old advice....
STOP THINKING - START RIDING
Deep breath and just Do It...... you'll probably ace it.
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See that's where it gets interesting though, isn't it? I mean, as you say Tef, it's something that you shouldn't NEED to do, but it becomes more complicated if you're taught to use it at the get go and thus, something that is unnecessary becomes habit. You call it a gimmick, but a newbie rider would be ignorant to the fact it's an unecessary practise when they're advised by their CBT/Test instructor to use it. Are they then, by default learning bad habits or just misadvised ones?
See, we're even getting philosophical here on BCF
I like what you're saying about treat the loop as a roundabout. That actually makes sense. My brain sees it and goes 'ARGH WEIRD LOOP THING' but putting into the context of something that you use on a regular basis makes it all suddenly make more sense xD
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| Posted: 20:32 - 15 Feb 2012 Post subject: |
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Foot down is a fail, use of rear brake (if your examiner is a mentalist) might be at most a minor. You only need to pass, any way that you can.
I found that the best bit about passing is that as soon as you have that certificate in your hand, your opinion becomes every bit as valid as anyone elses.
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| Recluso wrote: | See that's where it gets interesting though, isn't it? I mean, as you say Tef, it's something that you shouldn't NEED to do, but it becomes more complicated if you're taught to use it at the get go and thus, something that is unnecessary becomes habit. You call it a gimmick, but a newbie rider would be ignorant to the fact it's an unecessary practise when they're advised by their CBT/Test instructor to use it. Are they then, by default learning bad habits or just misadvised ones? |
 In a corner here aren't I?
Trail-braking, is a cheap trick, and a lot of instructors will teach it, especially DAS instructors trying to get a complete newbie up to par in a very short time on a big-bike....
It is a 'valid' technique, and a useful 'tool' that CAN provide 'extra' control.....
But teaching it to over-come a fundemental inadequecy in clutch & throttle control and basic balence, to MY mind, is NOT a good idea.
As you said; students use it not knowing WHY they are doing it, which means while an instructor teaches it so that they CAN get through tests, without having to spend hours and hours and hours on the playground trying to get the fundemental control up to par, the candidates NEVER get those 'Basics' becouse they have never needed to, and it leaves a hole in the riders foundation skill-set, and a 'bad-habbit'.
On a 125 there should be absolutely NO reason, to 'hold back' the bike, where the tick-over speed could easily be above walking pace in first gear, few 125's are much over a brisk walking pace maxed out in 1st!
Hence the instructor ought to have little 'reason' to even TEACH it to a 125'er....
Trouble is, these days, so many instructors are DAS instructors; few people will pay for 125 training, apart from CBT. The money is to be made nannying DAS candidates around... hence the instructors probably teach the technique as a matter of course, without even distinguishing... becouse students would soon get pissed off paying £30 an hour to ride round cones for days on end until they had mastered better throttle control!
AND quite likely that THAT was the way the Instructor was tough, and they may not know any different themselves!
Ultimately; its a 'point' or technique for road riding I grumble about; but as far as fine control goes; as mentioned, I started out in Competition Trials, as a school boy, which is ALL about fundamental control, balance and precision in what you do.
Bottom line... its a technique, you know how to use it; it works; and you want to pass a test!
You now know, something you didn't before, and something you MIGHT like to ponder on, and think about practicing tight turning JUST on the throttle, and upping YOUR game, and filling that gap in the foundation.... you dont HAVE to do it, you dont have to do it before your mod 1!
| Recluso wrote: | See, we're even getting philosophical here on BCF |
 Yes, still far too much THINKING.......
NOT enough RIDING
| Recluso wrote: | I like what you're saying about treat the loop as a roundabout. That actually makes sense. My brain sees it and goes 'ARGH WEIRD LOOP THING' but putting into the context of something that you use on a regular basis makes it all suddenly make more sense xD |
Worked For Snowie!
And I have to confess, I gave up instructing before the Mod 1 was introduced, so never instructed for it. Trying to wrap my head round it in the 'practice' layout at the School, I couldn't wrap my hear round it either, and it took me spending three mornings at the test centre just WATCHING the students tackle it before I 'twigged' what its REALLY looking for.
And BASICALLY its NOT whether you can ride round cones, or turn left and right, or whether you can twist a throttle get up to speed and do an e-stop...
Its quite subtle, and a rubbing tummy and patting head, excersize, seeing if you can string excersizes together in sequence, plan ahead, and do it all smoothly.
Get there early, if you can, and watch the earlier candidates doing it, and some of the mystery will dissapear... but dont sweat it....
£15.50, if you fail, was still cheaper than a lesson!
Dont think, just ride!
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You now know, something you didn't before, and something you MIGHT like to ponder on, and think about practicing tight turning JUST on the throttle, and upping YOUR game, and filling that gap in the foundation.... you dont HAVE to do it, you dont have to do it before your mod 1!
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At the moment it's habit. And I don't want to try and break habits this close to the test because that will balls things up. But it's definitely something I want to work on when I'm out and about on my own. Funny enough, I was told to 'drag the back brake' nearly 4 years ago when I first started riding my little 125 scooter by one instructor and then again by a different one when I renewed my CBT.
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Get there early, if you can, and watch the earlier candidates doing it, and some of the mystery will dissapear... but dont sweat it....
£15.50, if you fail, was still cheaper than a lesson!
Dont think, just ride! |
I think we're planning on getting there a bit early. My test isn't until 3:30 and we're leaving about 2, which means we'd be there well before 3. If I see some kid on a neon pink ninja I'll be officially creeped out xD
I've opted for some instruction beforehand. Only because I wasn't entirely happy about how I was expected to do some of the manouvers. That said, if I DO foul it all up, I'll know what to do next time
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Congrats mate. Hope to do mine in the not too distant future but, I'm working on getting more practice in on my 125 first. |
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One test left! Best of luck for your Mod 2
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