Fixed Penalty For Failure To Insure But It Was SORN!!

jrolph94 · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 02 Jun 2011 Karma :

Today I got a fixed penalty notice for failure to insure, however I had declared the bike SORN 4 days before they claim it was un-insured, and it hasn't been used since last August. I can contest it, however, the only evidence they accept is the conformation of SORN letter from the DVLA, which still hasn't arrived, however I have received the cheque with my Tax refund, dated 5 days after the date they are stating I was uninsured. Where do I stand, what can I do, apart from get angry over the phone, or wait until the take me to court.

ninja_butler · World Chat Champion Joined: 19 Oct 2011 Karma :

Contact the DVLA, your SORN should be on their system. Ask them if they have sent the confirmation letter to you.

anthony_r6 · World Chat Champion Joined: 31 Mar 2011 Karma :

You didn't sorn it online? You get confirmation there and then that it would be SORN'd. Contest it, and ask the DVLA to check their system.
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jrolph94 · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 02 Jun 2011 Karma :

ninja_butler · World Chat Champion Joined: 19 Oct 2011 Karma :

Did you get an email confirmation when you SORN'd online? All the details should be there. I don't understand why they want a paper document sent from the DVLA though, what the f**k is the point of that? Surely they only have to click a button to see your details on the DVLA system?

Still, if you have proof of SORN you're safe.

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J.M. · World Chat Champion Joined: 27 Mar 2011 Karma :

If things end up going to court, this thread may help you:
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=195188&highlight=

Slightly different thing but the same defence should apply being as you sent the notification via post?
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Taught2BCauti... · World Chat Champion Joined: 12 Jan 2012 Karma :

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Llama-Farmer · World Chat Champion Joined: 23 Jan 2012 Karma :

Why did you get a FPN for a failure to insure if its SORN? Unless you were driving it or it was parked on a public road?

fozzym · Brolly Dolly Joined: 14 Mar 2011 Karma :

Am I missing something here guys, one of my bikes is taxed and mot'd but at the mo I'm not riding it so have not insured it since buying it... is that ok??

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fozzym · Brolly Dolly Joined: 14 Mar 2011 Karma :

Yes I was missing something....Have just had to SORN the dam bike even though its taxed till end of april. Will have to cash the disc in now and get all of 20p back no doubt!

Stupid bloody rule.

Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

Forget it, they're just a bunch of clowns. If you have evidence that they've refunded your outstanding VED you'll destroy them in court.

I'm sitting on two demands for bribes at the moment, I've just ignored them and haven't heard anything more after the "now you must bribe us £100 per offence" letters months ago.

It could still end up going to court, but worst case I can just bribe the prosecutor at the door. If I fancy fighting it, I can show a letter demanding that I either re-tax or SORN a vehicle, over a month after having received the acknowledgement that I'd SORNed it. Utter incompetents.

jrolph94 · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 02 Jun 2011 Karma :

What I had done was, filled in an online form with all my information, this then created a PDF, which I had to print off, sign and attach my tax disc. The PDF that is created has all the other details all ready on it, name, bike reg etc.

Hyaon · Traffic Copper Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Karma :

whats the point in that, why not just use the ACTUAL online system? it even can send to your email address an electronic document saying you'd done it...post is the lose.
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AlexW · Spanner Monkey Joined: 11 Sep 2011 Karma :

Some people are missing the point. He didn't print off a SORN he printed off a tax refund form. One that you attach the disc too. Just SORN'ing it online wouldn't get him a tax disc refund.

The SORN is on that form, Its a little box you have to tick, Are you sure you ticked it? Just because you cashed the tax don't mean its SORN. You wouldn't expect the DVLA to make it that easy!

Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

Ruh roh. Better check its SORN status online then.
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jrolph94 · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 02 Jun 2011 Karma :

Just to let you all know, I managed to get the Fixed Penalty Cancelled, so I have to pay nothing. Basically after getting past around every call centre in western europe, and several in wales, i got through to the right person. Don't ask me which department it was, i lost track, was somewhere in the depths of the DVLA. Basically they had registered my SORN on the 16th, my Fine was issued on the 17th, it took the system until the 20th to process my SORN fully. Took me saying my lawyer was involved and i was willing to go to court to get them to cancelled it though. Thanks for the advice etc.

Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

Good result, but you were never "fined" (what you received was an offer to pay them a bribe), and based on my experience (so far) with this new clusterfudge of a law, I honestly think that you wasted your time sorting out their problem for them.
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