sue.mcfarlane
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Charlie0560
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I dont know this bike, but looking on some reviews on the interneto, they dont rate that well. They are Chinese and cheap!
Best thing to do is look for reviews on the net and see what you think if nobody gives you any practical advice. 
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The list price is £1,499, but I see on eBay, there's a brand new one for £1,349 - and there's also one a few months old with less than 700 miles on the clock for just £750 - from a dealer!
Anyone care to guess how much it will be worth by the time you get it home?
Found some reviews Here.
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| Posted: 09:29 - 28 Feb 2012 Post subject: |
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Pioneer Torro aka Pioneer Nevada aka Vulcan Custom aka Lexmoto Lowride.
It's just another of the CG-copy-engined cruisers: I've seen a few ones that were rusted up a treat, and the bike is too lardy for that engine. It will lose 1/3 of its value when you turn the key, and that's if you can find someone who'll buy it. It'd be tough passing your Mod 1 on it because of the handling and speed, although it is listed (somewhat optimistically) as A2 on the DSA bike list.
There is an active owners club though, so you won't be alone in wishing you'd bought a Marauder or any other used Japanese bike that will hold its value.
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Sue, the general concensus is don't buy Chinese. You'd be far far better off with a used Japanese 125. Hold their value better, much better reliability and won't dissolve in the rain while you're riding it.
Maybe one day the Chinese bikes will catch up, but no-one has any idea when that will be. Avoid.
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Posted: 13:59 - 28 Feb 2012  Post subject: Re: New To Biking - Help |
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| sue.mcfarlane wrote: | I am looking to buy a bike and was looking at the Pioneer Torro 125 Wondered if anone had any experience of these bikes please
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Back up a bit. where is your starting point? You say you want to BUY a bike. Who for? What for? Why?
Sounds daft, BUT... with a little 'back-ground' we can offer much better advice.
As mentioned, concensus is that Generic Chinese bikes aren't a great starting point for very many; less well known they are, worse they are going to be. They dont have a wonderful reputation for reliability, and many are actually sold through loop-holes, to be able to make them so cheap.
Buy a brand new bike, from a dealer, you naturally 'expect' it to be 'fit for purpose' as a practical, reliable daily means of transport, & you would probably be aghast if a brand new bike couldn't pass an MOT test... but with the generic Chinese bikes, that can be the case.
They are imported NOT as a 'Motorcycle', but as 'motorcycle parts' to avoid higher import duties. The bike then has to be 'assembled', and registered as a road vehicle. You buy straight from a dealer, they wheel it out, you ride it away, to you, seems like any other road bike... but often its not. Often what you have bought was not a 'road bike' but a kit of parts; you have then paid the dealers seperately for 'assembly services'; and then dealer filling out the paperwork on your behalf, YOU have registered the bike as a 'Self Built Vehicle'..... like a kit car or some exotic home-built 'custom', that technically ought to be subject to a very stringent, 'single Vehicle Approval' test, far more detailed than an MOT.... BUT, the dealer, filling out your self registration form, has given you a receipt to say that the bike is constructed from 'all new' parts, which means its eligible to be registered as a brand new vehicle, rather than on an age related plate, or as a vehicle of indeturminate oragin... AND has provided a 'conformity' letter to say that it is the 'same' as a bike that has been previousely 'approved' as a road vehicle... hence avoiding the expensive approval inspection.
Trouble IS, that while it may be made from parts that are the same as an approved bike... YOUR bike might not be put together well enough to even pass an MOT test, which, registered as a 'new vehicle' it wont have to have for three years!
And YOU believe what you have is a brand new, roadworthy, 'fit for purpose' bike, supplied by a dealer, with warranty and come back through trading standards and under consumer law... But those 'loop-holes', often mean you DONT.
And, when nuts and bolts start coming loose on your self built vehicle, thats down to you to sort out.....
If you know bikes, and had the know-how to build your own bike, then this could all be good stuff; and the savings worth while; becouse you would know what nuts and bolts to tighten,m and how to fix electrical faults etc, when they occur.
But, if you have bought it, thinking its 'new' so shouldn't give any problems... often in for a big shock!
Bikes themselves NEEDN'T be complete 'crap'... its the expectations of them that are often not realistic, and it is frequently down to not knowing what you are buying, and PRESUMING that becouse its wheeled out of a dealer, and it has a brand new reg no, it must be as 'good' as any other 'brand new' bike wheeled out of a dealer.
These bikes are not a 'con'.... its well known, and the maketing will usually be totally above board; and the 'problem' nie on always is that buyers, eager to snag a bargain DO NOT ask WHY its SO cheap, and actually check out what they are REALLY buying....
Consequently; lots of sub-standard, chinese bikes, prove unreliable, and in the hands of owners who dont read the small print and aren't very clued up; they cant sort the faults, and on the second hand market, people just DO NOT want to buy the 'hassle'.
So they suffer HUGE depreciation; and even the 'good' ones tend not to prove all that 'cheap', becouse the overall cost of ownership, can be pretty steep.
THAT is Chinky Bikes.
So, what do you want the bike for?
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