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c without experience of anything else; you wont apreciate what the bike does, or more importantly DOESN'T do for you.
Start with a twin. 75bhp SV650 or 60bhp GPz500s, is still plenty fast enough to be pretty exiting, provide acceleration like nothing you are likely to have experienced before on a public road; exceed the national speed limit by almost double; and handle far more capably than you are likely to be able to exploit in your early riding miles.
Bikes not so single minded; will actually work better at lower speeds, offer a LOT more 'sensation' of the speed it delivers, a lot more feed-back of what the bikes doing, so be a much more 'involved' and enjoyable ride; helping you to develop your own riding ability, and providing a 'soft' margin at the edges of the envelope, to let you know when to back off, and hopefuly keep you out of TOO much trouble.
After getting your early miles on such a bike; THEN if you really must; you'll find that what 'more' a Super Six does for you comes at a high cost of what it DOESN'T, and with a very high capability, focused on high speed, CAN actually be a rather 'boring' uningaging bike to ride!
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| Posted: 23:41 - 27 Feb 2012 Post subject: |
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thanks for the replies
both the bikes look great and have good reviews thats my problem i really have no idea whats out there and what would be suitable to a new rider
i have limited experience as i have only had the cbr and as its a 125 i feel ive got the very basics only i dont want some thing that with a slight over twitch of the throttle is gonna send me flying so as a complete newbie have looked at looks alone rather than practability or a machine that i can learn on  |
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I hopped on to a sports 600 right after passing my test, currently got a gsxr600 k6 and I love it to bits. Its a little gutless at lower speeds but get it over 20mph and its a rocket ship! I disagree about them being a "boring unengaging" bike though but thats just my opinion. The fact that it is light and skinny means that it feels fairly flickable round corners and generally moves with ease. Its happy if I fancy taking it slowly and the power is on tap when I want to give it the beans.
Would I recommend one to a new rider? Probably. But be warned, the hunched position can get uncomfortable on your arse, back and wrists after a little while. To solve that I had my seat recovered with a gel insert, my mate helped me adjust the lever positions and I was told to keep my arms parallel with the tank. Oh, and they get crap mpg! Sports 600's can be very forgiving bikes yet still scare the pants off you if you need that.
Best advice I could give is to go round some dealers (once you have passed your test) and sit on different types of bikes. Dont just go for the sporty ones, try an SV650 for size like Mike recommended. You never know what you might feel comfortable on and when push comes to shove you don't want a bike that makes your arse go numb in under an hour!
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I bought my 2002 R6 for £2100, it was a great first sportsbike experience, I had so much fun on it, plenty of power, high revving and not hard to ride, treat it with respect or it'll hurt you. Your body will soon get used to the uncomfortable riding position, oh and it's a great looking bike  I went from a Hornet 6 to the R6 so was no where near as big jump as it would be for you. I'm 5'10 with 30in inside leg and could flat foot both sides on my R6. HTH
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| waffles wrote: | I disagree about them being a "boring unengaging" bike though but thats just my opinion. |
Car anolaogy for you; Cataram 7 vs an Audi TT.
You get into a Cataram; you have bog all padding around you; wind in your face; panels flapping about, suspension giving you piles; you feel ever jolt and bump in the road, and the thing has to be DRIVEN. Audi TT probably goes just as fast, probably corners just as hard, but in cosseted comfort, the only 'sensation' you get is the G-Forces.
Another? My Series III Land Rover. Had a 2 1/4 normally aspirated diesel engine, making less power than a 1.3 Metro, but trying to haul two tons of aluminium and iron around! It had a four speed manual gear-box; with hi and low range doubling that to 8, and an over-drive 'splitting' and doubling the available ratios again, and with so little power, you HAD to waggle them three levers! With barely servo assisted drum brakes, imprecice worm and sector steering, and wobbly cart spring suspension; they thing was far from fast, but BOY was it 'fun' to drive. You REALLY had to work hard to get anywhere, and off-road, it was probably one of THE most 'engaging' vehicles I have ever driven.
Range-Rover, with 4.0l V8, and auto-box; still has hi & lo range, but excess or power, and so much done for you, and sat in cosseted cabin, it takes far less effort to drive, and gives far less feedback of whats going on, and while still 'fun' and quite interesting, and leaning a two ton car further than many lean a motorbike on side slopes or cresting climbs or descents that you wouldn't tackle in much other than a tractor, its still 'pretty exiting'... but far less rewarding, the car doing more of the hard work, and demanding less of the driver.
Bikes? one of the reasons I like 'tiddlers'; with limited performance, like the old Series 3, they can demand a lot more 'work' of the rider, to get the 'best' out of them. And that 'best' can be attained at real world speeds without such risk to life and licence; so you can use a lot more of the available performance more often, and HAVE to work harder to get it. To ME, that is FAR more fun than simply going quickly, on a bike we know can do it, and do it easily.
With references to judge modern 600's by, like my old VF-Thou, or mates old CB900's, old GSX';s FJ's or GPz900's; Big bikes that could do 'fast' like a modern super-six, but without the surety that they would slow down again, or go round a corner, and with a lot more mass to move... they were 'fast' and getting fast from them demanded more rider effort, and rider precision, and less composed, they gave more feed-back and involved the rider a lot more than more modern tackle.
It is subjective; and does depend what your ideas of 'involvement' are, and what you find 'fun'.... but effort vs reward. Modern Super- Sixes deliver a lot of fast without much effort, easily obtained, the reward seems 'less'
Sterling moss put it; 200 mile an hour down the mulsane straight is boring; its the corner at the end that's interesting; and a 60mph corner taken at 60mph, thats no fun.... but a 30mph corner taken at 31mph.... THAT'S where you start finding the exitement....
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Mike - I skimmed your post because a) cars are boring and therefore of no interest of me and b) it took me a little while to work out that you were talking about Caterham's (which I have actually driven, ooh get me!)
You think sportsbikes are boring, that's fine and I am not arguing with you there! But I think they are the complete opposite. I currently ride one as my main bike, I assume that you do not. Modern sports are radically different (I am lead to believe) to their predecessors that its like riding a completely different beast. Out of curiosity what sports did you ride? The rest of your post I had to skip over as I am browsing on my phone and it spazzed out when I scrolled over so I will get back to this later 
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It is more about mental attidude than the bike bhp!
I've heard people advising against sports 600's, I don't get it.. Unless you have a stupid gun-ho attitide, treate it gently, then there is not issue.. Found the R6 lighter and easier to ride then the hornet because it is more athletic.
Balls of feet on the floor and I am happy
Why not go for an older Ninja.. I gather the pre 2003 are not as pokey as the newer ones.. I am sure you could find one for that money.
My bf is about to go from a 125 (had it 2 years) to a 600.. trying to decide for an less tuned 600 (SV / F.. etc) for a year to 'play' or a CBRrr - which is what he fancies.
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| Posted: 16:30 - 28 Feb 2012 Post subject: |
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| waffles wrote: | Mike - You think sportsbikes are boring, that's fine and I am not arguing with you there! But I think they are the complete opposite. |
First; I dont think that 'sports-bikes' are necessarily 'boring'.
I have enough experience of modern sports-bikes, road and track, to know what I like, and what they do. No, I dont ride sports on the road. For the thrills they are designed to deliver; I took it to the track.
After that; doing it on the road, lacked any real appeal. Get spirited with one; just for the fun, and yeah, you get an adrenaline charge; but then the question; "Why?" and "Is this ALL?" On the track, there is a reason; get a faster lap time next time round; get past the bloke in front. WHERE is the limit? So, no. I don't find sports-bikes THAT exiting on the road.
Meanwhile; question is not whether I find Sports-bikes in GENERAL exiting or not; nor even whether Super-Six-Hundreds are 'boring'.
Point was, for a NEWBIE; straight of DAS, the riding 'experience' one will give them.
And with an excess of capability, focused on making 'fast' easy; and no references by which to apreciate what the bike is doing for them; and what it ISN'T actually doing for them, its not the best jump off point.
Starting some-where else, IF ONLY to get some wider experience of riding, to give some reference points to appreciate what a Super-Sport 6 does, and doesn't deliver; rider is going to be better prepared to actually use more of what one has to offer; and apreciate what the bike is doing for them; and have some idea what they may be missing out on.
And it IS something that DAS denies in spades. I say time and time again; time on a tiddler is rarely time wasted.
My first real road bike was an AR125. After two years on that thing, I had the forks flexing, the brakes boiling, the back suspension leaping around when the shock went off.... having got to a point where I was litterally riding the wheels of the thing.
I got onto a VFR400; and the sharper geometry, taughter chassis, felt 'wooden' in comparison, and gave very little of the feed-back I was used to on the AR. BUT going quick on it; I could appreciate what the capability was doing for me.
Know other people; who started out doing DAS, and got straight onto larger sports bikes and the like, and with no idea WHY the bike behaves like that.... it just IS... and swapping bikes, sticking them onto my VF1000 or CB750, has been a real eye opener for them.
Suddenly the experience things that their plastic fantastic just never gave them; 750 particularly, wind blast! A back end that 'wibbles'. Sensations they had never had before.
Rider 'involvement'. Many of them weren't too sure they liked it; and were happy to have thier plastic-fantastic back; but they got back on it with a new appreciation, and a new respect. And THAT is what I am trying to explain.
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| Posted: 16:47 - 28 Feb 2012 Post subject: |
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Tef, you need to pop down a dealers, get off the relics and try a modern 06/07+ sports bike.
Hop on a 750/1000 sports, mind blown, pants browned.
Its a billion times different to the ancient CB750 or VFR400 of your old school days.
Admittedly you do use a 125 thats been around for decades and still to me would be a viable learner legal bike with capabilities, but the larger cc range has changed for the better... I seriously suggest you try a sports 600+
Old bikes are FAR different.
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OP I only ever owned a Daytona 600, they look awesome, it handles fantastically but I disliked the revvy nature of it.
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| Posted: 17:53 - 28 Feb 2012 Post subject: |
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| ##Paddy## wrote: | Tef, you need to pop down a dealers, get off the relics and try a modern 06/07+ sports bike.
Hop on a 750/1000 sports, mind blown, pants browned.
Its a billion times different to the ancient CB750 or VFR400 of your old school days.
Admittedly you do use a 125 thats been around for decades and still to me would be a viable learner legal bike with capabilities, but the larger cc range has changed for the better... I seriously suggest you try a sports 600+
Old bikes are FAR different.
On topic,
OP I only ever owned a Daytona 600, they look awesome, it handles fantastically but I disliked the revvy nature of it.
I'm happy at a GSXR750, perfect balance for me, take a look at them also |
agree with the GSXR, but maybe the 600 not the 750 as it has a bit of poke that might be too much for a noob...maybe the SRAD 600, damn good bike! |
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| Posted: 21:50 - 28 Feb 2012 Post subject: |
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I have a 1000 now, R1 99 - Im going back to a 600, I genrally personally find them more fun..
I started with the SV650 which was a good bike, but being 5'11 I got cramp a bit too much.
Then went to a 2001 ZX6R which was pretty much spot on for me...
Then went to a newer model the 2003 B1H.
Had the R1 2 years, its being sold and I will be going back to the B1H... Awesome bike for me |
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Passed my test in December and went from a CG125 to a 600 Hornet which I had brought previously on advice from several friends. I find the Hornet easy to ride around town and it is great on the open road as well.
Several people I know who just own sports bikes wish that they had brought one as well as they are very comfortable to ride over long distances, easy to maintain and they have the grunt there to keep up with bigger bikes if needed.
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Why don't you go for something that has the looks but is perhaps a tad more forgiving? I hear a lot of people praise the Thundercat as a first bike
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Speaking as passing my DAS back in June 2011 (even though been riding bikes for years - not illegally just off road as have a full car license ) , i bought a Yamaha XJ6 which is what i used in my DAS and must say even though i really wanted a sports bike its been a lovely machine to ride and get more road experience for another year at least. Its position is not so aggressive and therefore doesnt hurt your back and also gives you the clear views you need as a newbie rider so as i didnt read all the replies to your post i would recommend starting on something like the Xj6 or Hornet for a bit and then moving on. I was also told by my instructed that whatever bike you want you should go for immediately as you will regret being something and then having to buy ultimately what you want and i'm in exactly that position but must say that i dont feel as bad for choosing something that really is a good 600cc and which is the sole reason they are used in doing DAS. Just thought id let you know my experience with my yamaha xj6 as its really a lovely machine but i will be moving to my dream machine very shortly......... |
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Passed my test last year through the DAS route having never had a bike before. Bought a Triumph TT600 which has been a nice sports bike without being too outrageous and I think that has been a great first bike at a reasonable price... Well within your budget.
Sat on a new ZX6R yesterday and I know feel this strange feeling that my wallet is going to be lighter soon! |
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Passed my test last year through the DAS route having never had a bike before. Bought a Triumph TT600 which has been a nice sports bike without being too outrageous and I think that has been a great first bike at a reasonable price... Well within your budget.
Sat on a new ZX6R yesterday and I know feel this strange feeling that my wallet is going to be lighter soon! |
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