Cornering Fast

[KingKong]

Hi

Have been learning to shift my weight 'off my seat' into the direction of the turn, keeping in [parallel] line with the bike when cornering at speed. However, on a few occasions I didn't shift my weight, but instead tucked in as my bike curved into that corner. It felt more natural than shifting off my seat and seemed to work.

BUT, am I deceived? Would tucking into the bike, rather than shift my weight off the seat, cause it to topple/low side?
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[CaNsA]

oh man, i know this but wish i had a pic to help explain why hanging your arse off the bike while cornering keeps the bike stable.

Think about where the weight goes and the direction of g-force.

mspaint special

https://i41.tinypic.com/qp342t.png

[KingKong]

Thank you, CaNsA; so staying on the bike, tucked in when cornering will actually de-stabilise the bike and cause a low-side?
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Past - 2016 Ninja 300 (dark grey); K4 GSXR 600 (sexy yellow); 2002 CBR600FS; 2004 GSXR 1000; 2006 Kwak 636; 2005 Yamaha XVS 1100 Dragstar (facepalm); 2005 Kwak 636; 2011 Yamaha R125.

[Welshd1k]

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[iMark]

isn't getting your knee down just for knowing your lean angle ?
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[Ariel Badger]

To be fair that picture looks good until you analyse it, it is just a line between two points (shoulder and tyre contact) you could do the same with anybody cornering regardless of how well they are doing it.
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[bEN_]

I think it's all over analysed, look at all the various styles in motogp, if they were all on equal machines the gap from 1st to last would probably be 1 second, and thats at motogp level, at our level i doubt it matters to much unless your doing something that is generally unsafe. i think there's to much bollocks talked about it. meh.

from looking at the pics, top left is colin edwards style(ish)
top right, casey stoner?
bottom left, toni elias?
bottom right, lorenzo?

mike hailwood style ftw
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[CaNsA]

Thats whats i was after dude, gforce, contact patch, center of gravity and all that jazz.

totally pwnd my mspaint special

[Souleh]

[QUOTE=09ZX-6R;234420]so heres how it works...
improper foot and rider position before corner entry and prior to prepping.
https://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee478/O3dodgesrt4/IMG_1789.jpg

proper rider and foot position prior to corner prep. (notice the feet moved back to the toes, and your ass slides to mid seat. this straitens the back and shoulders.
https://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee478/O3dodgesrt4/IMG_1790.jpg

now to prep for your corner entry. this is where the toe meets the peg nipple and the heel rotates up onto the heel guard. this in turn allows your knee to rotate out correctly with no effort or strain.
https://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee478/O3dodgesrt4/IMG_1791.jpg

then slide your entire body to the side of the bike (in this case, to the right) so your asscrack meets the edge of the seat and your chest is inline with the mirror.
https://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee478/O3dodgesrt4/IMG_1792.jpg

impropper position aka being crossed up
https://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee478/O3dodgesrt4/IMG_1795.jpg

propper position
https://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee478/O3dodgesrt4/IMG_1796.jpg

from there you will then lean your body forward and bend your inside elbow and straiten your outside arm.
https://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee478/O3dodgesrt4/IMG_1794.jpg

the outside arm and leg should look like this. the elbow straitened but not locked, your knee griping the tank and foot slightly forward on the peg.
https://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee478/O3dodgesrt4/IMG_1799.jpg

then relax your body and lean the bike into the turn while looking over your elbow and remaining tucked to the inside of the bike.
https://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee478/O3dodgesrt4/IMG_1793.jpg

at this point alot of riders and some new racers are sketchy about hanging off the throttle side because there right hand and arm are unpredictable with maintaining body posture and control. the usuall mistake is this when the body is positioned but the hands are not. notice the bent wrist. causes strain and hard throttle control.
https://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee478/O3dodgesrt4/IMG_1801.jpg

the best hand position is this... it maintains control and is totally strain free. quite comfy too.
https://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee478/O3dodgesrt4/IMG_1802.jpg[/QUOTE]

[KingKong]

Thank you for all the help, peeps. Thank you Souleh for the great tips on shifting weight when cornering; although I know this already and am regularly practicing it. I was more concerned with whether it would be a bad idea to abandon shifting off my bike and instead tuck in over my tank, arse on seat...

The picture-reference WhiteDevil shows confused me - I guess here is where I am as thick as two planks..

All I want to know is how likely am I to low-side/slide off if cornering sat squarely on my bike, hunched over the fuel tank, rather than shift my arse off the seat


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Past - 2016 Ninja 300 (dark grey); K4 GSXR 600 (sexy yellow); 2002 CBR600FS; 2004 GSXR 1000; 2006 Kwak 636; 2005 Yamaha XVS 1100 Dragstar (facepalm); 2005 Kwak 636; 2011 Yamaha R125.

[Mikey3]

youd have to be doing something major, or doing it at the wrong place for there to be some sort of lowside, if it was that dangerous EVERYONE would corner hanging off.
The main idea of hanging off is to shift weight to the inside of the bike to help 'pull' the bike round the corner. Your head weighs similar to that of a bowling ball so you can imagine the influence it can have... in certain circumstances.
The knee down bit is to try to keep the bike as upright as possible to be able to power out of the corner sooner, and to do it with controlable stability.
You shouldn't lowside on default if you don't hang off.

Mike
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[KingKong]

[cloric_tzr]

want ot no more?. . .
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[KingKong]

[cloric_tzr]

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i dumped my girlfriend the other day! she wouldnt act out one of my fantasy's. all i wanted her to do was come home from work, catch me fucking her sister and join in!!! miserable bitch!
My wifes so ugly, the only thing that goes down on her
Is the internet connection.

[J.M.]

Someone posted this earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr7x8aBhtJY

Interesting stuff
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[KingKong]

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[KingKong]

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[KingKong]

Thanks, Phil... Has helped a lot.

J.M. That youtube clip of Keith Code has really helped me understand the dynamics much better than previously; thank you!

I suppose I may either hang off, or remain hunched over the tank; it wouldn't make much difference, unless I was racing on the track and wanted to save a bike length or so...according to Mr. Code. Meh, all's well.

I am glad I posted this thread up; have benefited from a lot of helpful guidance.


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Past - 2016 Ninja 300 (dark grey); K4 GSXR 600 (sexy yellow); 2002 CBR600FS; 2004 GSXR 1000; 2006 Kwak 636; 2005 Yamaha XVS 1100 Dragstar (facepalm); 2005 Kwak 636; 2011 Yamaha R125.

[st3v3]

Jesus christ.. One simple question!

No, is the answer. Various riders corner which ever way they are comfortable with.
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