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Nick_Giles
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: ER5 or GS500 (choice) Reply with quote

As a 1st 'big-bike' I have the option for not a lot of coins either a Kawasaki ER5 or a Suzuki GS500

Advice please. Smile


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PostPosted: 20:13 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would say er5, just like them great to driver and relativly trouble free
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on the condition of the bikes. We would need to see pics and details of both bikes to make a judgement

Personally I loved my er5. However I have never owned or ridden a gs500 to make a coment.
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMHO both very good commuter bikes. I had an ER5 for over 5 years and cannot fault it.

If I were you I would try and get enough for a 600. A Hornet, Fazer or Bandit etc, will prove a much better long term purchase.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ER5 is better built. GS500 is cheaper and less complex (eg, it's aircooled, not liquid cooled).

So, depends how much you're looking at spending. Down to a point, you're probably better off with an ER5. Below that point, the fact that you'll be getting a newer/lower mileage/better condition/less complex bike for your money means you'd probably be better off with the suzuki.

I'd probably put that crossover point at around £1000 but individual variation plays a big part too. If you're looking for a very cheap-end bike, look at mileage and condition, not age and model. Be flexible, be prepared to walk away and don't focus too much on which model you want, beggars can't be choosers and you might see an utter bargain in something you hadn't previously considered so be open about what you look at.

I remember going and looking at a GS500, a 750 Zephyr, a CD250U, a Virago 555 and a GPZ500s all in the same day. They were all similarly priced, The GS was a lemon, the zephyr was bent (and well patched up), the CD250 was ratty as hell and the virago had been highly polished, ridden through a leather tassle stall before crashing into the blue anodised alloy section at the local fastners shop. The GPZ was clean, garaged, unmolested, low mileage, fully dealer service from new and was pretty much perfect in every respect.

At the absolute bottom end, condition of wearable parts (brakes, discs, chain, tyres) plays a huge part too. I've seen people on here get an apparent bargain only to find it's doubled in price by the time they've put two new tyres, two new discs, pads and a chain and sprocket kit on it.

So. In answer to your original question... Thinking Depends.
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has it got to be a 500? What sort of budget do you have.?..Overwise er5 all the way........... Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidewinder wrote:
Has it got to be a 500? What sort of budget do you have.?


Agreed, there are plenty of reasonable bandits if you can run to £1000
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to put up pics really.

I love my gs500 personally, but then it hasnt come without it's problems. Sad

I got it for an absolute bargain though...

So far I've fitted new clutch plates, new engine seal (my fault), overall though, I've done 3k miles in about 3 months worth of ownership and it's let me down once. (throttle cable broke).

I like the sound of deep twin engines (straight through pipe without baffle. yes yes yes. ) Wink

also turned her into a cafe racer. Razz


Good thing about the gs500 is it's so damn simple! It's an AIR cooled twin. So engine stripdowns are pretty piss easy. Also bits are easy to fit. Tis also a very forgiving bike. And restrictors for it are cheap as chips (if you need them)


Personally though I wish'd I had saved up for a gsxr600. But this bike is perfect for bridging the gap between a 125 and a proper bike. Plus she only set me back £300. Embarassed Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bought this for my nephew today he dosnt like it , runs perfect tyres are new its done 16000 miles you can have it £450 as it stands or £600 taxed and tested
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PostPosted: 01:13 - 15 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a GS, had it for almost a year now after passing my test and has done me fine, even at 33bhp.
Brother bought an ER last week after passing a couple of months ago.

Tbh I don't think there will be THAT much difference, bar the whole liquid/air cooled & simplicity of the GS. What you're probably better off doing is getting the best example of either bike that you can for your budget.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 15 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the condition and mileage over model. However I'd also look around for a Honda Bros. Mine was £330 and about £500 by the time I'd got it on the road. Now it's got the Yoshi can, it both sounds like a proper twin and pulls amazingly. Even on the motorway up to about 100 if you can deal with the wind blast.
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 15 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
sidewinder wrote:
Has it got to be a 500? What sort of budget do you have.?


Agreed, there are plenty of reasonable bandits if you can run to £1000


Divvy 600 to if he's looking at it insurance wise Very Happy
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 15 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mad4it028 wrote:
bought this for my nephew today he dosnt like it , runs perfect tyres are new its done 16000 miles you can have it £450 as it stands or £600 taxed and tested


Dammit. Where were you a month ago?! I would've snapped your arm off. Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 15 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benson_JV wrote:
mad4it028 wrote:
bought this for my nephew today he dosnt like it , runs perfect tyres are new its done 16000 miles you can have it £450 as it stands or £600 taxed and tested


Dammit. Where were you a month ago?! I would've snapped your arm off. Laughing


been working on it today its now ready for mot so unless it sells this weekend for £450 it will be mot'ed monday and on ebay at £600
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 15 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mad4it028 wrote:
Benson_JV wrote:

Dammit. Where were you a month ago?! I would've snapped your arm off. Laughing


been working on it today its now ready for mot so unless it sells this weekend for £450 it will be mot'ed monday and on ebay at £600


Alas, had I not bought the GPZ305 I would've bought it, missus says I'm not allowed to spend any more money though. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 07:12 - 16 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ mad4it028

Interested. Smile You have mail.


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PostPosted: 07:14 - 16 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ mad4it028

Interested. Smile You have mail.


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PostPosted: 20:02 - 16 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the record the GPZ500s is a cool bike.

All the other 500 twins suck balls.

Fact.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 16 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm affraid I have to dissagre with flumpy7 here honda cbf500 fantastic bike as far as i'm concerned.

Not that I'm biased or anything
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 16 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get that GS500, stick an RGV250 rear shock on there, some BT45s fitted and get the forks overhauled with cartridge emulators or at least some extra preload. Transforms these things from a wallowing pogo stick of a commuter to an absolute sleeper on tighter roads Thumbs Up

I will note though, stock up on the FS365 or ACF50, GS500s will rot away before you eyes if you don't look after them properly.
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 16 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

flumpy7 wrote:
For the record the GPZ500s is a cool bike.

All the other 500 twins suck balls.

Fact.


So how does that rate against the ER5?
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PostPosted: 00:46 - 17 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

lozzypop1 wrote:
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For the record the GPZ500s is a cool bike.

All the other 500 twins suck balls.

Fact.


So how does that rate against the ER5?


Same motor but more highly tuned so feels more sporty/has more attitude. Has a cheeky little powerband if i remember correctly @ about 6-7000 revs. Looks cooler too. Sure its pretty old now but i have a real soft spot for them.

The er5 just shouts boring. Same with the gs and the cb too if you ask me. Personally i think if you have to get a smaller bike or need something cheap to run go for a 400 import or a 600. Or something older with more mischeif. I'd rather have an old gpz305 rather than an er5/gs500 anyday.

Source: I'm right.

Only joking....its just i spent a good 5-6 years on a variety of cheaper bikes and had the least amount of fun i ever had on an er5 and a gs. Yeah they work....but just dont excite. Kind of like driving a nissan micra.
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 17 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think all 500 twins are as dull as dish water
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PostPosted: 00:58 - 17 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mad4it028 wrote:
i think all 500 twins are as dull as dish water


Yup, but exactly what I want for pounding the miles on my commute! Cheap to run, cheap to insure, cheap to fix, just...cheap.

ER5s tend to eat regulator/rectifiers, mine went through two before I bought an upgraded unit from a guy on an ER5 forum - been bullet proof since then.
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PostPosted: 01:38 - 17 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Only joking....its just i spent a good 5-6 years on a variety of cheaper bikes and had the least amount of fun i ever had on an er5 and a gs. Yeah they work....but just dont excite. Kind of like driving a nissan micra.


That's where the suspension mods come in, I can't comment on the ER5 but the GS500 isn't that bad a bike, sort the woefully horrible suspension, tip it's geometry on it's nose and you practically end up with a cheapo sports 400 with an engine that doesn't need (Or want Laughing ) to be screaming to go anywhere. The end result is a bike that turns in quickly and easily but doesn't have anything like enough power to get unsettled, just what you need to build confidence.
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