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lyubo1125
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 24 Mar 2012    Post subject: 50cc Piaggio NRG wont start Reply with quote

My scooter died on me and now wont start, what do i do?
It has good compression, more than enough fuel is getting into the engine chamber and spark plug has a nice spark.
When i turn to start it sometimes feels like it wants to start but doesnt.
Any suggestions please?

Bike: Piaggio NRG 50cc Air Cooled

Also spark plug is wet after a few seconds of turning the electric start.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 24 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

try a new spark plug first. it might spark o.k. when holding it against an earth, but its much harder to get a spark under high compression in the engine, so your plug may be dead but doesnt look like it. Thumbs Up
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lyubo1125
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 24 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

lukamon wrote:
try a new spark plug first. it might spark o.k. when holding it against an earth, but its much harder to get a spark under high compression in the engine, so your plug may be dead but doesnt look like it. Thumbs Up


I have a spare brand new spark plug which i tried aswell and its the same story..

Every once in a while it will cough like it wants to start but then continues on turning the starter motor.
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PostPosted: 02:08 - 25 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, next, take the spark plug out and have someone press the starter button while holding the throttle open. you then attempt to hold your thumb over the hole. if compressio0n is good enough to start the engine you shouldnt be able to hold it there without the compression blowing it off.

or, you could use a compression tester guage but im gonna go ahead an guess you aint got one Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 25 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

lukamon wrote:
ok, next, take the spark plug out and have someone press the starter button while holding the throttle open. you then attempt to hold your thumb over the hole. if compressio0n is good enough to start the engine you shouldnt be able to hold it there without the compression blowing it off.

or, you could use a compression tester guage but im gonna go ahead an guess you aint got one Thumbs Up


Just been out and tried this, It has very good compression as im hardly able to keep my thumb over the hole.
I need it started by the end of today as i need to be going to work with it if possible tomorrow... By the looks of it, it wants to start and im sure it will eventually but i just need to know what to do.

Should i turn to start it with full throttle or little to none?
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 25 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drop a bit of petrol into the plug hole, put the plug back in properly and try that. Post up exactly what happens. Should tell if its a fueling or sparking problem.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 25 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martay wrote:
Drop a bit of petrol into the plug hole, put the plug back in properly and try that. Post up exactly what happens. Should tell if its a fueling or sparking problem.


Im sure its a electrcal problem, The engine/chamber is flooded with petrol hence the spark plug getting wet everytime. I have tried literally everything i can think of to start this thing but no luck. Question
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 25 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

have you changed the jetting on it? because it could be running rich and that would cause problems with the engine starting Smile
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 25 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

shippy wrote:
have you changed the jetting on it? because it could be running rich and that would cause problems with the engine starting Smile


I havent touched the jets, it was running flawlessly for over 6 months, I have checked and they are clean.

Do you think the problem is the ignition timing needs adjusting?
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 25 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check that the air filter is clean and dry, as you already have a spark and compression. It could also be the auto choke has failed and is causing the engine to over fuel. To test it, remove it from the carb, and conect it directly to the battery, the brass pin should extend and then after 5 minutes or so it should go back to it's original length. If this doesnt happen it needs replacing, manual ones can be had for about £10.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 26 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

at106 wrote:
Check that the air filter is clean and dry, as you already have a spark and compression. It could also be the auto choke has failed and is causing the engine to over fuel. To test it, remove it from the carb, and conect it directly to the battery, the brass pin should extend and then after 5 minutes or so it should go back to it's original length. If this doesnt happen it needs replacing, manual ones can be had for about £10.


Tried cleaning the filter and with a few minutes of turning the starter now its spitting air out of the exhaust with very high pressure - once every 5 seconds or so.
Im giving it full throttle which trying to start it.
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PostPosted: 06:20 - 28 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had this problem with two different scooters, each time it turned out to be a damaged reed valve. Without taking apart your engine for inspection you can't really tell, does this bike have an immobilizer fitted to it?
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 28 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kano wrote:
I've had this problem with two different scooters, each time it turned out to be a damaged reed valve. Without taking apart your engine for inspection you can't really tell, does this bike have an immobilizer fitted to it?


Nope no immobiliser. I really think that the engine is just clogged up with fuel because the spark plugs get "very" wet after a single try. There is a good spark and compression so theres no reason it shouldnt start.
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 28 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take the spark plug out and spin the engine over, that'll remove excess fuel.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

at106 wrote:
Take the spark plug out and spin the engine over, that'll remove excess fuel.


Im trying this at the moment and most of the fuel has come out now. Had my dad look at it and his prediction is theres a problem in the electrics, So im taking apart the stator plate to clean it up if its dirty.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 31 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone think the problem might be the CDI unit?
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt it will be the CDI as your plug is firing.
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