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PostPosted: 17:58 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Newbie maintenance questions Reply with quote

I'm a bit paranoid about maintenance -- mostly because I'm brand new with motorcycles and also because I'm a mechanical ignoramus....

I bought the haynes manual for my new bike (CBF125). The bike I have is basically new (only a few miles on the clock before I got it), so I'm starting with a fresh slate and need to have it fairly regularly serviced by professionals anyway (for the warranty book).

However, there are lots of things I guess I'm supposed to do weekly or so that I'm aprehensive about. Some questions off the top of my head:

* The chain seems to use a wax (not the oil described in the haynes manual), correct? The guy in the local shop sold me chain wax spray and a chain cleaning spray. I also got a chain brush. How often should I clean this, really, assuming an average London-area commute of 100-150 miles a week in London weather (which is like Costa del Sol lately)? Do I clean the existing wax off (with the brush?) before I apply a new coat, or do I just use the brush/cleaner when the chain is especially dirty and just spray on some more otherwise? How often do people adjust their chain, roundabout? (I've done only about 400 miles, but the chain slack looks unchanged to me.) How paranoid do I need to be about getting the back wheel alignment exactly right if the chain needs adjusting?

* Tyre pressure. It seems harder to check motorcycle tyres than car ones, because of the size and angles, but I have found a guage that seems to fit (barely). How often do should I be checking the pressure? Has anyone used tyre pressure guards (the caps that turn green, yellow and red with pressure) and do they work?

* Cable lubing. The idea of taking something like the clutch cable *off* the bike, lubing it and putting it back on again makes my palms sweat... Really, how often will I have to go through such a scary exercise, roundabout, or can that wait for the usual service intervals? What kind of lube is used?
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cant help much because im new. But i check my tire pressure at least once a fortnight, or every couple of rides. You will probably notice when its low by riding it anyway.
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Re: Newbie maintenance questions Reply with quote

esullivan wrote:

* The chain seems to use a wax (not the oil described in the haynes manual), correct? The guy in the local shop sold me chain wax spray and a chain cleaning spray. I also got a chain brush. How often should I clean this, really, assuming an average London-area commute of 100-150 miles a week in London weather (which is like Costa del Sol lately)? Do I clean the existing wax off (with the brush?) before I apply a new coat, or do I just use the brush/cleaner when the chain is especially dirty and just spray on some more otherwise? How often do people adjust their chain, roundabout? (I've done only about 400 miles, but the chain slack looks unchanged to me.) How paranoid do I need to be about getting the back wheel alignment exactly right if the chain needs adjusting?


If I were you doing that amount of miles, I'd give it a look over once a week or so. Wax is just a lubricant in the same way that oil is a lubricant, you can use either. Its worth cleaning your chain at the same time, as any road grit etc that sticks to the oil on the chain can cause wear. Use a brush and cleaner fluid, let the cleaning fluid evaporate (or dry off with a rag) and then reapply lube of choice.

Its worth checking chain tension at the same time. Your Haynes will tell you how much slack there should be, measured in the middle of of the bottom run of chain from sprocket to sprocket.

Alignment is something worth being pretty anal about (within reason) other wise your wheel will be on a diagonal and constantly trying to turn the back of the bike.

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* Tyre pressure. It seems harder to check motorcycle tyres than car ones, because of the size and angles, but I have found a guage that seems to fit (barely). How often do should I be checking the pressure? Has anyone used tyre pressure guards (the caps that turn green, yellow and red with pressure) and do they work?


Once again i'd check once a week, but look for any obvious punctures or loss of pressure before every ride. Never tried the guards, but don't see the point if you check regularly.

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* Cable lubing. The idea of taking something like the clutch cable *off* the bike, lubing it and putting it back on again makes my palms sweat... Really, how often will I have to go through such a scary exercise, roundabout, or can that wait for the usual service intervals? What kind of lube is used?


Usual service intervals will be fine, its not as hard as it seems - all you need to do is slacken the cable, remove from the lever end, make a little funnel of tin foil around the end of the cable and pour some 3 in 1 oil down it. Leave it so its as straight as poss over night, and re assemble...
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Re: Newbie maintenance questions Reply with quote

Don't worry we all had to start somewhere! Have a good look at the first couple of sections in the Haynes to get a good idea of what's involved with regular servicing. It really isn't as difficult as you think.

You won't void the warranty by servicing the bike yourself and not getting dealer stamps, so long as you use original Honda parts and do the work properly (stick to the schedule and do things by the book). I keep a good record of what I do at each service and staple receipts in as well. You won't be able to make a warranty claim on anything you bugger up. Have a good look through the warranty booklet they give you. It doesn't say you have to get it serviced by a Honda dealer...

Chain - the recommended stuff to lube it with is 80 or 90w gear oil. Slop it on with a paint brush, after cleaning the chain with paraffin and a brush (look for 'gunge brush' - a 3 sided thing designed for this). Wipe off any excess with a rag and don't be tempted to clean/lube your chain with the bike in gear! Much cheaper than anything in a spray can. Adjustment and wheel alignment aren't something you'll need to do that often, maybe every 1'500 miles or so, if you keep the chain well maintained. That's what I've found.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Re: Newbie maintenance questions Reply with quote

neil. wrote:
Chain - the recommended stuff to lube it with is 80 or 90w gear oil. Slop it on with a paint brush, after cleaning the chain with paraffin and a brush (look for 'gunge brush' - a 3 sided thing designed for this). Wipe off any excess with a rag and don't be tempted to clean/lube your chain with the bike in gear!


Here's a little chain cleaning vid with the aforementioned brush. Wink
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ayrton wrote:
But i check my tire pressure at least once a fortnight, or every couple of rides. You will probably notice when its low by riding it anyway.


You'd be surprised, I've had my tyres nearly flat and only twigged by the smell of hot rubber. Wink
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Ayrton wrote:
But i check my tire pressure at least once a fortnight, or every couple of rides. You will probably notice when its low by riding it anyway.


You'd be surprised, I've had my tyres nearly flat and only twigged by the smell of hot rubber. Wink


Shocked you never noticed the handling being off!

as others have said, with the mileage you are doing it would be best practice to keep your chain well cleaned and lubed (prior to cleaning always take the bike for a short run to heat up the chain as it makes the old lube easier to remove)

check tyre pressures religiously, this part of your maintenance schedule directly effects the handling of your bike.
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sako wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
You'd be surprised, I've had my tyres nearly flat and only twigged by the smell of hot rubber. Wink


Shocked you never noticed the handling being off!


They don't go flat overnight, you get used to it. This was over winter when the roads were vile anyway. I noticed the handling being on after re-inflating them. Wink
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
They don't go flat overnight, you get used to it. This was over winter when the roads were vile anyway. I noticed the handling being on after re-inflating them. Wink


This is the kind of thing that happens to me all the time, at least on the car. That's why i was wondering if anyone has experience with the caps that change colour. I check the pressure as often as I can, but I know myself: that habit is going to fade with time. Glancing at the wheel and checking for a yellow or red tag sounds a bit simpler.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

esullivan wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
They don't go flat overnight, you get used to it. This was over winter when the roads were vile anyway. I noticed the handling being on after re-inflating them. Wink


This is the kind of thing that happens to me all the time, at least on the car. That's why i was wondering if anyone has experience with the caps that change colour. I check the pressure as often as I can, but I know myself: that habit is going to fade with time. Glancing at the wheel and checking for a yellow or red tag sounds a bit simpler.


i'll be honest here -

if you aren't thinking you will be able to remember/be bothered to check something as simple as the tyre pressures, then that brings into question what other basic routines you will not do also.
it is your responsibility to ensure your bike is safe and roadworthy for the safety of yourself and everyone else on the roads.

if its going to be too much hassle then probably better to take the bus.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sako wrote:
i'll be honest here -

if you aren't thinking you will be able to remember/be bothered to check something as simple as the tyre pressures, then that brings into question what other basic routines you will not do also.
it is your responsibility...


Yes, thanks. Point taken. I will need to man up and make it a habit. I'm just thinking forward to when winter rolls around again, when I'm leaving the house in the dark and coming home again in the dark. (I don't have a garage.) Just wondering if the caps provide any extra bit of safety margin.

I'm not as worried about the tyre pressure (that part i can handle) than I am about the chain. I've been driving for 30 years -- checking oil, tyre pressure, coolant: no problem. Checking my drive train? Eh, not so much...
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
You'd be surprised, I've had my tyres nearly flat and only twigged by the smell of hot rubber. Wink

Laughing I think the most obvious time that you will notice is when it starts getting harder to push about. If that happens check your tyre pressure.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

esullivan wrote:


I'm not as worried about the tyre pressure (that part i can handle) than I am about the chain. I've been driving for 30 years -- checking oil, tyre pressure, coolant: no problem. Checking my drive train? Eh, not so much...


don't worry about the chain being difficult, it's really straightforward, every week set aside 20 minutes to give it a good scrub (check tyre pressure as the same time), there are loads of videos on youtube for you to see that will show you ways to clean the chain.

personally i enjoy doing my bike maintenance, gets me out for a little while to potter with my bike, which is always a good thing.
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