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Maimboy |
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 Posted: 20:01 - 29 Mar 2012 Post subject: Filtering magic or idiocy? |
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I have a filtering question. Most mornings I have to endure joining a heavily congested dual-carriageway, from an equally congested slip road. Filtering up the outside I often have to stop or trickle along at 3mph, looking for a gap while avoiding running into the vehicle ahead. It's deeply annoying.
However, I recently witnessed a knight of the road (a scooter rider) make the following manoeuvre (which I have illustrated for you at great expense), and now I use it every day; no stopping, no dawdling, I just zip into the traffic flow ahead of the other vehicles fighting for position.
Question is: is it foolish and/or illegal?
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I'd do it. And they are waiting to turn right, on to the dual carriageway  ____________________ GPZ500 sold ~ CBR600FS-2 sold ~ ZX6R sold ~ Street Triple R |
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Paulington |
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Considering it makes it so much easier to do compared to the alternative that you suggested, then it has to be illegal. Anything that makes a difficult situation like that easy to overcome has to be. !
As for the "only undertake when turning right":
Highway Code Rule 163 wrote: | Should only overtake on the left/undertake if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right. Doing so, in itself, will not cause a person to be prosecuted. |
It is advisory, not an absolute rule.
Also, on all roads, you are allowed to undertake if the vehicles in the lane immediately to your right are congested/slow moving. Basically, undertaking is allowed in congested conditions.
As for the above picture, I'm not sure. It could be construed as dangerous/careless driving if you do it without looking/taking proper precautions, but personally I would do it and consider it 'filtering', just DON'T use the hard shoulder.
Go for it. . ____________________ "Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul."
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Jet-pack?, Helicopter? Flashing blue lights?, your own personal tank? they will all help you get to the front of the queue  ____________________ I am the sum total of my own existence, what went before makes me who I am now! |
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goto10 wrote: | I assume you're talking about single carriageways... NSL roads with two or three lanes are of course 70mph. I'm not saying you didn't know this, but it amazes me how many people believe motorways are 70 and A roads 60.
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I think you'll find, it's nothing to do with the number of lanes, but with the presence (or lack thereof) of a physical barrier (i.e. grass, crash barrier, etc) between the two directions of traffic. If there is one, the A road is a "dual carriageway" and a 70 limit, if there is no physical barrier, regardless of the number of lanes, the limit is 60. ____________________ - CBT: 02/01/11 Theory: 26/04/11 Mod 1: 19/05/11 Mod 2: 19/08/11
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Your biggest risk in making that maneuver is if several vehicles all push into the queue together but one towards the back is a bit late getting in then a long gap can form in front of him, and as he squeezes over if the vehicle behind him decides to dodge around him to jump a few places using the newly-opened gap. If you happen to be cruising up the inside at the moment he decides to make a lunge you're gonna get squished into the barrier or planted into his rear quarter. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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Jim Mc wrote: | snikks wrote: |
I think you'll find, it's nothing to do with the number of lanes, but with the presence (or lack thereof) of a physical barrier (i.e. grass, crash barrier, etc) between the two directions of traffic. If there is one, the A road is a "dual carriageway" and a 70 limit, if there is no physical barrier, regardless of the number of lanes, the limit is 60. |
Where did you get that information from? |
As G has said above, look in the highway code.
Quoting from my post above:
Quote: | As far as I know, when it comes to speed limits as above:
Single-carriageway NSL: 60mph.
Dual-carriageway NSL: 70mph.
This means that single carriageway roads (any amount of lanes, no central reservation) is 60mph limit under NSL.
Dual carriageway roads (any amount of lanes, split by a central reservation) is a 70mph limit under NSL. |
A single-carriageway can have three lanes on either side, but it's still a 60mph limit if there is no central reservation. Likewise a dual-carriageway can only have one lane either side but if it has a central reservation like a grass gap/barrier etc then it's a 70mph limit.
This is all for normal cars though, HGVs/towing vehicles etc have other specific limits.
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I'd do that. In fact, if i knew what was coming up, I'd probably be on the left all the way down. ____________________ Honda Varadero 125cc => Suzuki Bandit 650 33bhp => 77bhp =>
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 13 years, 109 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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