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DIYdemon
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Tips for mod1 on a sports bike Reply with quote

I'm getting used to driving my 125 now and I wanted to start practicing for my mod 1 doing slow moving and u turn but I am struggling to do a u turn on my bike, I look right across we're I'm turning but I'm still going too wide or putting my feet on the ground

People said sports bike are the hardest to do this on due to turning restrictions but I wanted to get practicings for when I need to do it in the future , any advise on how I can practis getting my manoeuvres spot on :/
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

shift your weight to the opposite side of the bike to the way you are turning, don't touch the front brake , use the back brake to control the speed, keep the revs up a little to prevent stalling, slip the clutch, and turn the bars as far as they will go keeping you eyes on where you want to end up not the kerb / white line
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see how they are the hardest?

Your problem is lack of confidence, which is why you put your feet down. Practise more, have faith in the bike, pass Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
I don't see how they are the hardest?

Restricted steering lock, & geometry that steers more by leaning than turning the bars.

LEAN IT

You are sticking your foot down because you have lean to make a sports bike turn, but going slow, 'feels' like its going to tip.

So, either:-

a) counter-lean; ie lay the bike over further underneath you while YOU stay more 'upright' so bike tilts to the road, to make it turn, while you do the 'balence' with it the G-forces to hold it up

b) Throttle it. You can generate a lot more G-Force accelerating, than turning sharply. G-Force is what stops you falling over when you lean; so line it up, be brave, and accelerate THROUGH the turn to give yourself some cornering force to hold you up while you get the bike over.

c) Do Mod 1 on a School's 'regulation learner/commuter' 125, that isn't so compromised for style.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok cheers guys will put everything into practice
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Learn better clutch control

I bet you can ride slower than you think, giving you time to manoeuvre the way you want Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get yourself down to an empty car park, I was at a half empty car park the other day and on my way out I thought I'd try this u-turn stuff out on my cbr125, had no idea how wide the space you're given on your test is but I estimated 3 bays which looked similar to the space I was given on my cbt and I managed it with ease first time without using brakes, just got treated it like a tight corner and leaned the I've to get it round. Only did it once but it gave me enough confidence to not worry about it again.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

God knows if it will help for you, but a suggestion, When doing my U-Turns on CBT, initially, I really struggled with it, so the instructor stood on the road near where he wanted me and just shouted "look at me, look at me, look at me, that wasn't so hard, was it?" Hire a friend to stand on the road shouting abuse at you, it draws focus Razz
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Restricted steering lock, & geometry that steers more by leaning than turning the bars.


Didn't realise; I've only ever ridden this tiddler (well, and the one for the CBT).

As for the OP, parking bays are a good idea. Personally I found a country road which very rarely had a car go down it. Measured it with a tape measure and it was less than the size I was allowed for the test. Kept doing that over and over until I could do it easily Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, practice for a week in a car park.
Take a tape measure to work out 7.5m.
I found the 125 easy as turning circle was approx 6m. My cbr600 used in my 2nd attempt was 7.2m though. But practice got me through.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

In all Honesty mate, if you're using the rear brake you're doing it wrong.

It's all about clutch control.

Never touched the brakes on my 125 Varadero on Slalom or U-Turn or Figure 8's, all clutch and throttle control. I firmly believe this is the way.

If you gotta touch the rear then I spose ya gotta but I say best not to!

Just my opinion of course.

As above, if you practice in around two and a half parking bays when it comes to the day, the space you actually get will look much bigger, so easier Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex_B wrote:


Never touched the brakes on my 125 Varadero on Slalom or U-Turn or Figure 8's, all clutch and throttle control. I firmly believe this is the way.

If you gotta touch the rear then I spose ya gotta but I say best not to!



Same as this ^

I also did it on a Varadero, and didn't use the brake for the slalom, figure of 8 or u-turn.

Used it for the emergency stop though Wink
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would just use the school bike too, just give yourself the best chance of passing and then go and enjoy your sportsbike.
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What bike is it OP?

Most 125 bikes sold under the "sports" premise are nothing like sports bikes, merely faired 125 commuters. Unless you are on something like an RS125 I doubt the geometry of the bike is holding you back.

I was taught to get the engine noisy, slip the clutch until it bites and hold it steady in one position then control the speed using my rear brake - means you only need to concentrate on one thing at once (brake). If you are sticking your foot down it is probably because you are looking at the floor, going too slow, changing speed too much or are very afraid of dropping it. I am a big fan of dragging the rear brake to stabilise the bike.


A full lock U turn on any bike is perfectly possible, keep practising and good luck Thumbs Up .
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:

a) counter-lean; ie lay the bike over further underneath you while YOU stay more 'upright' so bike tilts to the road, to make it turn, while you do the 'balence' with it the G-forces to hold it up



This is what I do on the CBR, works a treat.
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 30 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
What bike is it OP?

Most 125 bikes sold under the "sports" premise are nothing like sports bikes, merely faired 125 commuters. Unless you are on something like an RS125 I doubt the geometry of the bike is holding you back.

I was taught to get the engine noisy, slip the clutch until it bites and hold it steady in one position then control the speed using my rear brake - means you only need to concentrate on one thing at once (brake). If you are sticking your foot down it is probably because you are looking at the floor, going too slow, changing speed too much or are very afraid of dropping it. I am a big fan of dragging the rear brake to stabilise the bike.


A full lock U turn on any bike is perfectly possible, keep practising and good luck Thumbs Up .


I have a Honda NSR which is one of the bigger looking 125s on the market
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PostPosted: 00:57 - 31 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DIYdemon wrote:
I have a Honda NSR which is one of the bigger looking 125s on the market


It's more about the geometry than the size tbh, that is one of the sports 125s worthy of the sports prefix though.

Still perfectly attainable with practice, it would be a slightly easier on a more upright bike though. I struggled on a sports bike at first, soon got used to it though.
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