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neatbik
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 03 Apr 2012    Post subject: Selling a bike to johnny foreigner.. Reply with quote

There is a good chance i may be selling a bike to a polish bloke, i assume it will be taken back to poland with him to sell on.

What do i do with the V5? I can see there is an export section on there, but i'm confused as to which bits i sign, keep and send off or which bits i dont..

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PostPosted: 11:03 - 03 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sold a bike to a Polish guy and he just filled in the appropriate bits of the V5 and gave me the "notice of permanent export" to send to the DVLA.

Now that struck me as not being quite right. Personally I'd want to first register the new keeper in the UK with the DVLA, and then for him to register the export using the appropriate section of his new V5. I guess he wasn't prepared to wait for a new V5 to come through.

Either way I heard nothing more about it (other than possibly a confirmation from the DVLA - it's some years ago now so I forget).
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 03 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
I sold a bike to a Polish guy and he just filled in the appropriate bits of the V5 and gave me the "notice of permanent export" to send to the DVLA.

Now that struck me as not being quite right. Personally I'd want to first register the new keeper in the UK with the DVLA, and then for him to register the export using the appropriate section of his new V5. I guess he wasn't prepared to wait for a new V5 to come through.

Either way I heard nothing more about it (other than possibly a confirmation from the DVLA - it's some years ago now so I forget).


He might not have a UK Address to send it too. If they turn up with cash then there is no issue.
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 03 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
He might not have a UK Address to send it too. If they turn up with cash then there is no issue.

Oh boy did he turn up with cash. Peeled me 26 fifties off a bundle the size of a house brick he kept in a carrier bag.

The issue I had with the permanent-export is that there's no parallel registered change of keeper - it looks like you did the export. So if it somehow didn't find its way to Poland then there'd be an illegal bike riding round in Britan that I was the last known contact for. This was years ago, though, and I never heard a peep. There genuinely is money to be made exporting cheap old bikes to Poland, so that's what they do.
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 03 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that the safest way is to transfer the vehicle to Nardo at a UK address, then it's his problem to export it.

However, you can fill in a V561, which actually requires an address in Abroadland.

Whatever you do, get some ID from Nardo and take copies of it, and you can always write to the DVLA and give them those details pre-emptively, that should cover your back.
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 03 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, that didn't take long...

He had a brick of cash (in a plastic bag..), looked over the bike, rode it 20 yards up the road and that was that.
They already had 2 r1's, a KTM 640 and some dodgy looking cruiser in the van, with 3 more to go and collect today.

Business must be booming in Polski-land.

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PostPosted: 11:55 - 03 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

beatnck2 wrote:
Well, that didn't take long...

He had a brick of cash (in a plastic bag..), looked over the bike, rode it 20 yards up the road and that was that.
They already had 2 r1's, a KTM 640 and some dodgy looking cruiser in the van, with 3 more to go and collect today.

Business must be booming in Polski-land.

Thanks for the replies.
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Sounds like the bloke who bought mine, except he didn't even want to ride it. In fact he seemed disinterested in it even when I started it for him. Left his girlfriend in the van for the entire transaction.
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 03 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

And then we ask where all the reasonably priced bikes have gone. Very Happy

So, what did you do about the V5?
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 03 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what it's worth, the majority of Polish immigrants here have 2 addresses - one in Polska (could be parents, family members, their flat/house which they rent out to students whilst they work here, etc) and one here (where they live when they work).
This way it's easier segregate the country-specific issues such as paying bills, registering vehicles, and so on.

As mentioned - if the buyer is getting you to fill in the permanent export part, then alarms bells will ring and you should take measures to cover your arse.
However, if it goes smoothly (albeit weirdly, as in the above posts) without any questions, then you can safely assume that the dude/gal is gonna register it at their UK address and will sort the export paperwork themselves later on. As long as you got the plastic bag full of notes, then no questions need be asked and the transaction has been fully legal and sound on your side of the deal.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 03 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
beatnck2 wrote:
Well, that didn't take long...

He had a brick of cash (in a plastic bag..), looked over the bike, rode it 20 yards up the road and that was that.
They already had 2 r1's, a KTM 640 and some dodgy looking cruiser in the van, with 3 more to go and collect today.

Business must be booming in Polski-land.

Thanks for the replies.
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Sounds like the bloke who bought mine, except he didn't even want to ride it. In fact he seemed disinterested in it even when I started it for him. Left his girlfriend in the van for the entire transaction.


Sounds like the bloke who bought mine end of last summer, wasn't interested ina nany thing much I said, girlfriend in the van, with a dog I think.
Said he'd sold about 50 in Poland since he started.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 03 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

they don't really care about paperwork, for a quick bribe they can get anything registered kosher in poland that could have been stolen anywhere in europe if they want to

according to my polish workmate the germans would sell them a car or bike without the paperwork, claim on the insurance in germany, the bike then ends up in poland and for a quick backhander with somebody at the polish DVLC gets registered legit in poland
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