Wet riding. Difinitve 100% right way???

[Alex_B]

**PLEASE DON'T WORRY/COMMENT ABOUT ON DRY RIDING GENTS, WE ALL USE FRONT 1st**

Hey gents,
It's been discussed here many times I know, but I want to know what the *Majority* do

Firstly, I'll just say that I prefer to **gently** apply the rear first, (and ease off the throttle) bringing weight down on the front end then progressively add in front braking.

I would say I'm using a f40/60r split in heavy rain.

I've never locked a wheel in the wet using this technique BUT is this the right way?

Do you guys ease off the throttle, as you think that's enough to load up the front, (so possibly safer) or just go front THEN rear??

**I'm not talking emergency stops here, just general riding.**
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[st3v3]

Rarely use rear in the rain.

Front braking is primarily down so I use 70% of that chance to stop, unless you're stupid about it you won't hit the deck,

Rear brakes are more for reserve, and handy for skids. Do you want to skid, or stop?
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[Mikey3]

you generally do the same thing as in the dry, just reduce the use from 70/30 80/20, to more like 50/50, and engine braking. I try to use as much engine braking as possible if I can before I use the brakes, but the front always comes on just before the rear.
The front still does most of the stopping, but you just can't stop anywhere near as quickly in the wet for obvious reasons.

Mike
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[RhynoCZ]

Other ? (explain wtf then) :

I use rear brake first and then apply some pressure on front break on wet, on dry I do front first and then apply some pressure on rear brake 70% front/rear 30%.

I add the pressure gently on both brakes, also easy on throttle when I go on wet surface.

I lean quite the same as on dry conditions, I just don't use brakes in the corner.
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[Alex_B]

Keep it coming Gents.

Explanations are also good
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[Shaane]

Other -

I'm not a racer so it has no effect what so ever on the way I ride thus meaning I brake the same amount I normally do. Don't be scared of the rain or you will die.
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[Alex_B]

[st3v3]

[Mikey3]

looks the the difinitive right way has turned into everyone's each personal way to do it.
You can do the same, the best 'difinitive way' would be explained in the CBT/Practising for bike test, other than that they're just different people's way of doing it.

Mike
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[Shaane]

If I'm honest the only thing that changes about my riding in the wet is cornering because I have this on the back of my bike so fail.

https://www.fastbikesmag.com/files/2011/11/Pirelli_Diablo-Supercorsa_Rear_Isometric.jpg

All my breaking generall stays the same. Quite enjoy riding in the rain tbh
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[The Artist]

I though the general consensus was dry 75:25, wet 50:50 front and rear.

In reality, when I rode, it was front brake unless I really needed to stop then add rear brake.

[Glenben92]

I ride a lot in the rain, i always use front and rear at the same time along with engine braking to assist the rear. I use the same balance in the dry as i do in the wet and it's never caused a problem. As long as you're leaving plenty room to do your braking, you shouldn't have a problem really. I tend to use a lot more rear than front in ice/snow because you MIGHT catch the rear WHEN it slides. I've never came off or came close due to braking.
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[G]

It depends on the situation rather a lot.
Racing with warm wets on a warm day - hard with the front probably.

In other conditions, first off, of course; the trick is to ensure you won't need to brake near the amount that could cause trouble .

So from that, in most situations I'd still just use the front, but more gently.

[EazyDuz]

i use both 50/50, which i do in the dry too. I just try to justify the existance of a rear brake, so i try and use it as much as possible lol, sometimes in the dry i use the rear brake only to stop, but only in towns where its stopping and starting at traffic lights etc.
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[Shaane]

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[Shaane]

Maybe to much confidence on my behalf then and you are infact right about me crashing Going to oulton Park on wednesday and it will no doubt be raining so I'll post pics of the damage
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[Fifteen15]

Did my DAS in August and was told front 75:25 in the dry and 50:50 in the wet.
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[defblade]

I'm hardly using the rear brake in any weather at the moment as the pads are nearly worn out

Seems I often trail a little rear into corners as I've found mysef trying to do the same with the front and it turns out to be much more... ummmm... interesting...
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[whitedevil]

Progressive and smooth braking is the key thing here.

Once the weight has transferred to the front wheel you can add a bit of rear brake but ive never been in a situation where ive needed to use rear braking. There is a danger when you brake hard enough the rear will get light, lockup and skid.
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[RhynoCZ]

To st3v3:

Well, don't just jump on it, put your foot on the pedal and apply some pressure, I always can feel if it slips, so I reduce the preassure immediately and the wheel spins again.

Rear brake efficiency also depends on your tire and riding position, I sit more back on the seat so I've got more weight on rear wheel. I'm too tall for sitting ''on the tank'' and this ''on tank'' position also ruins your tires, plus it's more stable to sit back when you go through left/right section, I don't know english term for this.
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[Teflon-Mike]

We had this debate before when I described the DSA approved technique as:

Dry: 75% Front, 25% Rear, Wet: 50% Front 50% Rear...

ALWAYS front before back.

Think G eventually found actual quote on one of the DSA riding manuals, but cant remember which one.

So wet or dry, FRONT BEFORE BACK.

More important in the wet, but equally aplicable in the dry is SMOOTH, and GENTLE application of teh brakes, nevwe snatching or jerking them on, its the rate that they are applied that causes lock-ups, far more than the AMOUNT they are aplied.

Use the brakes smoothly and progressively and its remarkeable how much braking force you can actually apply in teh wet, and not lock up.

Quite possible to have the back hanging in teh air on many bikes, just as it is in the dry.
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[Sload]

Agreed with above, I would still apply the majority of braking force with the front, I tend to think of the rear as more a control brake.

Practising for the mod one on an XJ6 in the wet we found we couldn't even use the rear as it was locking at the smallest amount of pressure.
So during the E stop test I just kept my foot over the pedal so the tester would think I was using it and braked using the front. Stopped easily in about two thirds distance with no issues.

Although I think the correct advice as stated is 50/50

[G]

I've crashed enough times losing the front (including with wets on track) still braking a fair bit lighter than I might in the dry.