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 Posted: 17:01 - 30 Sep 2004 Post subject: End of the British Car GP? |
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"The British Racing Drivers Club cannot afford the British Grand Prix at any price." Looks like britain just cant afford to do it My step dad did marshalling there and i wanted to go, not bad money for a fun weekend too  ____________________ A2 License
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A very disappointing decision. Compared to a lot of other tracks around the world Silverstone is a bit basic, however it was the venue of the first F1 Grand Prix and is one of the more exciting tracks. Unfortunately sport takes a back seat when it comes to these decisions; money, politics and media exposure for tobacco companies are deemed more important. Also whereas most other governments where Grand Prix are held are highly supportive and subsidise the event our Government does absolutely nothing, despite Bernie Ecclestone giving The Labour Party £1 million pounds! (Which they had to give back).
What people fail to recognise is that F1 is a major industry in this country and the recognised leader in providing technology, personnel, engines and chassis as well as teams. With the loss of the flagship event in the UK, you will see a steady decline in this country's influence, and the resultant loss of jobs and technological stagnation.
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| carvell wrote: | Whaaaaat.
I think that if it's not being held at Silverstone it'll be held somewhere else, brands hatch maybe. |
No, it won't.
Bernie Ecclestone holds the rights to all the GP around the globe. The way a GP is run is that the circuit (or whoever, me, you etc) pays Bernie a set figure to 'promote' the GP. That price currently stads at somewhere in the region of 9 million. That's a lot of cash to stump up just to hold a race (that everyone currently thinks is boring anyway!).
The circuit has to make money by getting bums on seats. If the ticket allocation is in the region of 100,000 on raceday (give or take 25-50,000 on the other two days) at, say 100 quid a ticket..
100 x 100,000 = 10,000,000.
However, you have to gurantee that amount of folks through the gate. And you have to factor in all the other costs. The hire of the circuit. The hire of the security, the cost of printing tickets, posting them out. Before you even being to 'promote' the event itself.
That costs more than the 1 million you'd get back on ticket sales.
So, you'd run at a loss. Not great business sense. In fact, it's the main reason that Silverstone got the rights back to be the host circuit for the British GP as when Octagon realised what everything was costing them, they walked away! (Even a mulit-million dollar american company can get sick of spending too much!)
There isn't another circuit in the UK that is up to current FIA standard to hold the race anyway, it's Silverstone or nowhere. Looks like it's nowhere in 2005. Or maybe Bahrain or China.  ____________________ Colin McRae MBE 1968 - 2007 RIP
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Britain is the home of world motorsport, Oxfordshire is stuffed full of high technology companies developing race technology and almost all of the F1 teams are in fact based in Britain, no matter what the team's official nationality is... Add to that the fact that Britain has never been out of F1 in it's history, and the amount of jobs it supplies, not to mention the prestige. The government don't give a monkies, and Bernie Ecclestone is a twat. The gap in funding was only $3m, not £3m, the government have really fucked up by not making up the gap.
'Fuck history and heritage, I want more money!' Money, money, money...
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| mchaggis wrote: | Britain is the home of world motorsport, Oxfordshire is stuffed full of high technology companies developing race technology and almost all of the F1 teams are in fact based in Britain, no matter what the team's official nationality is... Add to that the fact that Britain has never been out of F1 in it's history, and the amount of jobs it supplies, not to mention the prestige. The government don't give a monkies, and Bernie Ecclestone is a twat. The gap in funding was only $3m, not £3m, the government have really fucked up by not making up the gap.
'Fuck history and heritage, I want more money!' Money, money, money...
I'm struggling to get across how annoyed this makes me... |
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It's pretty sickening what Ecclestone is doing to F1. The sheer greed of the guy is unbelievable. With F1 in the state it is atm, he's the last guy who should be in control of it, as he's just making life harder for the teams and it's getting harder to even consider F1 anything other than a business. The British GP is important and shouldn't be going anywhere. Anyone with any genuine interest in F1 would agree... the guy should be shot.
Edit: Just found a link to this: https://www.petitiononline.com/11688523/petition.html |
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Sorry but F1 bores me senseless, maybe they will promote something more interesting if F1 is missing. Maybe more bike racing? Or how about truck racing!  ____________________ Here comes the summer!  |
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A reader's letter in MCN stated that MotoGP was following the way of F1, i.e. procession instead of gutsy racing, big money grabbers, commercial exposure etc. Maybe it's true in the case of Honda, as who's going to challenge them after Rossi transfers to four wheels? I can only hope it doesn't happen.
I must admit, the last few F1 GP's have been very exciting, maybe because it's all over now, the pressure's off and drivers can actually start racing again as they battle for jobs next year.
Of course, it's always different when you watch a GP trackside instead of the small screen, I'm sure all you F1 haters would immediately start to love it after actually turning up to watch, smelling the racing fuel and listening to the sound of God screaming for 70 laps?? ____________________ "... I wouldn't mind doing 130 up to a T junction, but unfortunately my bike tops out at 120 which is gay..."
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It is a sad day for British racing.
Where does the '£9 million' Ecclestone wants go? Is it all for him or does he have to pay the FIA an so on. He is a greedy man who maybe acting in the best financial interests of the sport, but money doesn't make great racing.
Over the last few years we have seen a lot of processional races, where has the wheel to wheel racing of the Mansell and Hill eras gone (sorry i'm not old enough to remember further back)
Without quality, interesting races F1 is going to go down the pan and the British GP was one of the better this year.
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I used to love F1. Really love it. I've been to quite a few races, and spent quite a lot of money. But I'm really having trouble maintaining my interest now. When I watch it these days all I see are all the things that are wrong with it - things that could be fixed to make the sport wonderful but which aren't going to be fixed any time soon.
Bernie has always had it in for the UK GP, and I don't actually know why that one specifically. The facilities may not be as wonderful as a brand new circuit, but they're very similar to the likes of Spa, or Magny-Cours, or Spain, or Hungary. And yet he never complains about those (well OK, he has been known to grumble about Spa!)
Whether the UK GP is actually dead is by no means certain, it has been taken off the provisional calendar in years before, so Bernie can grumble some more, but it ends up back on. Could be this time he's serious though.
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| mchaggis wrote: | Britain is the home of world motorsport, Oxfordshire is stuffed full of high technology companies developing race technology and almost all of the F1 teams are in fact based in Britain, no matter what the team's official nationality is... Add to that the fact that Britain has never been out of F1 in it's history, and the amount of jobs it supplies, not to mention the prestige. The government don't give a monkies, and Bernie Ecclestone is a twat.  The gap in funding was only $3m, not £3m, the government have really fucked up by not making up the gap.
'Fuck history and heritage, I want more money!' Money, money, money...
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While what you say above is true, the bit I've (hopefully) put in bold is utter bollocks.
Why should the government fund a healthy multi-million dollar a year business that does quite alright by itself, thank you. They fast-tracked the mulit-million pound Silverstone by-pass as that was apparantly going to lose the circuit the race two years ago. They've already been in the news about taking money from Bernie before, and had to give it back.
As McJam says, our tax should not be spent on promoting a motor race.
The ONLY reason the British GP might not go ahead next year is because Bernie doesn't want it to. Not because the UK government should be spending 3 million dollars on it. ____________________ Colin McRae MBE 1968 - 2007 RIP
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